The dude who walked up to the Pentagon and calmly shot and injured two members of the security detail before being killed by same was a left-wing extremist with issues.
Patterico lays out J Patrick Bedell’s 911 Truther and BDS facts here and expounds on them here. You will note that Patterico links to at least two sites that are unfriendly toward the Right (MSNBC and Little Green Footballs).
Stashiu3, whose pedigree is solid, linked to a Michelle Malkin story finding out about Bedell’s voting registration.
Update: www.Electorates.us has 180 million registered voter records available online (thanks to Anne Horrigan). Thirty-six-year-old John Patrick Bedell’s voter registration records in Hollister, CA are available for any journalist before he/she goes off and labels him a “right-wing extremist.”
Guess which party he registered under in 2005 and was actively registered under as of 2008?
DEMOCRAT.
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LASTDATEVOTED 20051108Stop playing games, MSM.
And an hour or so ago, I found out from FOX News Radio that his parents reported him “missing” to the county sheriff and warned he could be dangerous as he had a history of mental illness. (Sorry, no link to that, but would love to have it if you got it.)
So I agree. Lamestream media needs to stop calling him a right-wing extremist. Lamestream media needs to stop trying to tie him to the TEA Party. He was Left-wing. He was a registered Democrat. He had major BDS. He was a 911 Truther. And he had a history of mental illness. Nothing right-wing about that.
Three related preemptory statements:
1) For those who want to rail against my pointing out Bedell was Left-Wing, tell me why lamestream media tries to tie all these people to “Right-Wing extremism” and the TEA Party movement, including the leftist Bedell and the Marxist Stack?
2) For those who want to tie Bedell’s anti-tax statements to the TEA Party movement and “Right-Wing extremism,” note two things:
A) From Bedell’s manifesto: “Such an organization, having seized control of the United States government, would derive enormous power from the taxes extracted from the wealthiest society in the history of the world. Such an organization would be able to manage present objections to its corruption with lavish promises of future benefits in a form of generalized bribery. Such an organization, which would necessarily have great financial sophistication, would be able to use the credit of the United States government to issue trillions of dollars of debt to fund its corrupt activities and neutralize objections to its illegitimacy and in so doing, burden the responsible citizens among its victims with crushing financial obligations.”
(Understand, Bedell called the US Government “usurpers” from 1963 (before he was born) onward and claimed Bush was a piece of a criminal group that controlled the US Government.)
B) Dave Surls quoted wiki, a source Liberals love to use, thusly:
“Karl Marx, via his newspaper, the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, published this decree, adding: “From today, therefore, taxes are abolished! It is high treason to pay taxes. Refusal to pay taxes is the primary duty of the citizen!”[81] Marx was later prosecuted for promoting tax resistance, but was acquitted after arguing that it was not illegal to promote tax resistance against an illegal government.”
3) For those calling for stricter gun laws in light of this event, do note that there are already laws on the books that prevent people with certain mental illnesses from owning or possessing guns. And, judging by what his parents told the sheriff, Bedell qualified as one with at least one of those mental illnesses. So there are already laws on the books precluding the likes of Bedell from owning a fire-arm.
Yes, he was a Leftist, like the majority of Congress and the lamestream media and the current President.
Yes, he had a major case of BDS, like the majority of Congress and the lamestream media and the current President.
Yes, he was a 911 Truther, like 36 percent of the Democrat party (if I remember my numbers correctly).
Yes, his views were very tied to Marxism.
But, no, I do not blame those who are in those above groups for this insane person (other than “You right-wing extremist radio talkers need to quit inciting the mentally ill to violence”).
This guy was a loose cannon, due to his mental illness. And he found a way to “go off” against the “usurpers.” His mental illness and his hatred for everything “Bush” was enough to send him over the edge.
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Cross Posted on Truth Before Dishonor
How does his body count stack up against TIm McVeigh’s?
*snork* Having looked at the “evidence”, I see this is pitiful even by wingnut standards.
Look at the manifesto cited as showing he was “anti-Bush”.
Now, let’s see – in 1963, George Bush was 17 and spending his time in the oh so manly role of a cheerleader in Massachusetts. It seems unlikely that he was on the grassy knoll aiming at Kennedy.
But, you cry, this is oversimplifying it – the shooter is saying that Bush was a pawn of or a player in this conspiracy. Indeed – and he is saying that every President since Kennedy has been a pawn of or a player in said conspiracy. Which includes Johnson, Carter and Clinton.
Reading it as “anti-Bush” is a twisted interpretation – especially since he committed his crimes now, and presumably had the same beliefs about President Obama.
And what are his major beefs with this conspiracy?
Now, gee, have we seen anyone write anything recently about a “socialist” President and heaping scorn on “the majority of Congress and the lamestream media and the current President”?
You know, from the same people who bought us “Obama is a Kenyan”, “Obama is a Muslim”, “Obama is trying to turn schoolchildren into a Hitler Youth”, “Obama is trying to mandate circumcision”, “Obama is trying to put old people to death”, “Obama wants Iran to have a nuke”, “Obama hates whitey”, and “The White House wants people to snitch on their neighbours”?
Face facts, PB – he may well have been a loose cannon who went off the rails due to mental illness – but his beliefs are not a million miles away from yours and those of other wingnuts – and certainly no less looney. He just acted on them, that’s all.
Which is why you wingnuts feel the need to write screeds trying to put some distance between you and he.
It’s sad that we play this game of sorting our crazies into left and right, when the real point is dangerous or safe.
Thanks for this: “But, no, I do not blame those who are in those above groups for this insane person (other than “You right-wing extremist radio talkers need to quit inciting the mentally ill to violence”).”
It certainly is easy to set some of these people off, and some entertainers are playing with fire. A kind of fire that burns anyone but themselves.
My body count is better than Mc Veigh. But I was killing communists. Problem, Pho?
Which is why you wingnuts feel the need to write screeds trying to put some distance between you and he.
LMAO. Hardly.
Posts like these are unfortunately necessary as the MSM ridiculously attempts to portray every nutjob like this as “associated” with the mainstream right, Tea Partiers and/or the GOP. Recent case in point.
Questions for Pho:
How many Tea Partiers or conservatives
- Shoot at the Pentagon and hate the military?
- Are registered Democrats?
- Hate George Bush and the whole Bush family?
- Think 9/11 was perpetrated not by Muslims but by Republicans?
- Grow and smoke marijuana?
- Read left-wing anti-Bush books?
- Are anti-war?
- Talk about “economic justice”?
- Think the Vietnam War and the Iraq War were not merely mistakes but were part of a government conspiracy?
Sure Pho. But he also joined the Air National Guard. Sure, he didn’t see combat, but he did serve for several years flying the F-102, am early generation supersonic fighter known to have dangerous handling qualities.
At any rate, I refer you to a post I made some time back to Dana regarding one of Tom Wolfe’s books. Dana is a big fan, so I included the following quote (in italics) from Wolfe’s book The Right Stuff about the early astronauts.
“The Right Stuff” was terrific, in fact, I still have my 20+ year old copy handy. Tons of great, quotable material, here, in fact, is just one example that ironically describes the kind of plane that George W Bush flew (which should dispel any notion that he was a chicken)
Being a fighter pilot – for that matter, simply taking off in a single engine jet fighter of the Century series, such as an F-102, or any of the military’s other marvelous bricks with fins on them – presented a man, on a perfectly sunny day, with more ways to get himself killed than his wife and children could imagine in their wildest fears. If he was barreling down the runway at two hundred miles an hour, completing the takeoff run, and the board started lighting up red, should he (a) abort the takeoff (and try to wrestle with the monster, which was gorged with jet fuel, out in the sand beyond the end of the runway) or (b) eject (and hope that the goddamned human cannonball trick works at zero altitude and he doesn’t shatter an elbow or kneecap on the way out) or (c) continue the takeoff and deal with the problem aloft (knowing full well that the ship may be on fire and therefore seconds away from exploding)? He would have one second to sort out the options and act, and this kind of little workaday decision came up all the time.
Phoenician in a time of Romans:
How does his body count stack up against TIm McVeigh’s?
One nut with a gun going against armed guards with automatic weapons, and one coward parking a truck bomb and didn’t have the nerve of his convictions to stay with while the bomb killed innocent children. At least Bedell did have the nerve of his misguided convictions. But neither is a hero, one hated Clinton’s Waco, and other believed Bush blew up the WTC’s and the Pentagon.
As an aside, I know that entrance well to the Puzzle Palace on the Potomac. Bedell didn’t have a chance.
This is exactly why I brought up all the political garbage and why it fits on a political blog, and also why I brought up all the political garbage with Amy Bishop. The lamestream media tries its darndest to paint all the crazies as right-wing nutjobs. So, I’ve tried to point out certain nutjobs were left-wing and provide the supporting evidence you won’t find in the lamestream media.
The difference between my pointing out leftist nutjobs and the lamestream media’s pointing out rightist nutjobs, besides the lamestream media’s ignoring evidence proving they’re not rightwing? I don’t blame the likes of naggy and blu for causing leftwing nutjobs to attempt murder.
Dead on bullseye, bro.
Could’t have said it better myself. Sometimes a nut is just a nut.
Totally OT, but this rock video kicks ass! Dude thinks he’s talking to a hot chick on a phone sex line, and, well, you’ll have to wait till the part at the very end. Anyway, F’in hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yGCHPmfqT0&feature=related
Oh, great, now it will be a reason to round up the Truthers. No doubt those who are responsible are hoping for any reason to eliminate credibibility from us, and eliminate us entirely if they can. We from the Truth Movement have made tremendous strides recently. The number of architects and engineers who know something about structural integrity have now reached over 1100, and continue to grow. The entire movement continues to get larger. Funny, you don’t wonder why. There is no theorizing, just a compilation of scientific evidence showing that the government version is a lie. The evidence just keeps coming. It’s a slam-dunk if it is honestly reviewed by an honest judicial source. The 1100 architects and engineers will be suing NIST for what is obviously a cover-up. You all remain ignorant because you IGNORE so well.
It is stated over and over among the Truthers that violence is not the way to go.
Blu, I wish you could make me get larger!
[smack]
Also, I mentioned over at Pattericos, he hasn’t eliminated my post yet, as he and so many do, but my point quickly is that the denial over the events, the science, the clear lies our government told, on that subject, which continues to be denied by many, it just so happens that a journal of behavioral sciences thinks your mind is odd and worth scrutiny. The latest issue is devoted to the phenomenon of denial. Are you going to acknowledge or ignore it?
http://abs.sagepub.com/content/vol53/issue6/
Oh, and SCAD means State Crimes Against Democracy. That is if you haven’t chickened out from looking at the link.
Blu, before you get your dental floss with a triangular patch (thong) all tangled (too late) do carefully read what I wrote in the article and in the comment section. Your paranoia got the best of you yet again.
Just for the record, Patterico, did omit my comment. They don’t want to know things.
By the way, John Hitchcock, you said I believe the MSM is a CIA company. Confusion! Facts…The former CIA DIRECTOR said it. Also, other former CIA officials have said it. Do your own research. Don’t embarass yourself like you do.
And, on the subject of media, let me remind you again, in opposition to your claim that the MSM is Liberal. The journalists ARE mostly Liberal. The owners of networks mostly are not. Who decides what goes on the air? The OWNERS.
So did you have the guts to look at the behavioral science journal link?
Blu, do you have the guts to read my article and the comments here and do a fully proper mea culpa for this quote of yours?
I highly doubt you do. As to your truther bovine byproduct and any truther head-shrinker who wants to spout off, I reject it all, part and parcel. It has nothing to do with courage but with truth, and truthers have as much truth as the People’s Democratic Republic of Korea has democracy, is of the people, or is a republic.
I don’t read your truther stuff for the same reason I don’t read occultic material: it is not edifying in any manner, shape or form. But you didn’t read my article before you went paranoiac again. If you had read it, and the commentary that followed, you would’ve seen your paranoia was misplaced (as usual).
I’ve said it, and I guess I have to say it again, we are not theorists. We only rely on science. NIST will be going to court. Charges either have been or will soon be filed against them for a cover-up that any intelligent, objective person realizes. The fairy tale was the government’s.
So, the above link is NOT fro anything other than a JOURNAL OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES, noting the odd behavior of such a large percentage of the population bypassing science, video documentation, common sense and logic. I knew you didn’t have the cajones to look. You are afraid of this knowledge, you choose ignorance. Literally, you can’t handle the truth.
No, there was a hearing in Congress, now to infiltrate the Truth movement. Look up the name Sunstein, Obama’s new propaganda minister, the thought police are out in force. Welcome to the world of Bush’s making. Did you take High School social studies? History plays itself out over and over in different societies. What has taken place in this country doesn’t have a nice ending. Torture might give you a clue, yeah we are that kind of country.
Alright, blu, I changed my mind. After repeating myself more than once in my claim it wasn’t your fault some 911 truther tried to murder people at the Pentagon, you’ve convinced me. It’s all your fault. Are you happy now, blu? You made me change my mind about something. Maybe you aren’t actually paranoid since we are obviously all out to get you and torture you for your secret flying pot roast recipe.
Did you look up the name Sunstein? Did you look at the link from the BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE JOURNAL?
For the record, I didn’t say, you blamed me. You do call Truth advocates nuts, but I’ve shown you a professional journal link that shows the nuttiness of the Denialists of the cover-up.
Blu, if you’re talking about Cass Sunstein, that dude may just well be to the left of you if that’s even possible. And I’ve traveled this tangent long enough.
So, did you look at the CIA history documentary video I dropped a link in recently for the curious to review…? You look? I guess I should doubt it. You have a serious learning disorder. It’s called “already knowing everything”. It is capable of destroying all mental functioning. You miss out on a lot that way. Then, the word ignorant, which is a derivative from the word ignore, would mean that you are choosing to be ignorant. I wonder what that BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE JOURNAL would think, and say of your perspective. Rationality can be bent into one’s comfort zone, I’d bet they’d say.
So, did you look at MY video??????? I even provided a link to make it easy! Please look!!!! It’s REAL important!! (well, actually, it isn’t, unless of course you love Aerosmith and hot women the way I do … )
If you want to get hip to what’s up with the CIA history, you will be riveted. You want to know what is really going on and what has happened, start listening to former CIA. This documentary is amazing. 7 ten minute segments. Just make sure to click onto next part in right sequence, after each part…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ce3G5I1lI
This link is far more interesting than Eric’s fantasies, about hot women and Aerosmith. The one I just posted will stimulate your brain, no Viagra required.
Riveted with boredom, more like.
PS Blu, I suspect you resemble that woman at the end of that video. And you don’t need fantasies about women when you’ve ridden motorcycles and worn the uniform of a Naval Aviator.
Blu, please get a boyfriend. Or a cat. Or a vibrator. Or something.
LMAO!
Again, ignorance must be bliss. Fools.
There’s a few hundred more of these guys calling BS on the government version of 9-11-01, but that would require you to show integrity and discerning objectivity, and you all have come up zero thus far on that:
Col. Thomas W. Mcguire, Jr., U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force Command Fighter Pilot. Flew 100 missions over North Vietnam in McDonnell Douglas F-4C Phantoms, leading 31 missions over Hanoi area known as Route Pack Six. Aircraft flown: Lockheed F-80 (P-80) Shooting Star, Republic F-84G & F Thunderjet, F-105 Thunderchief; North American F-100 Super Sabre, T-39 Sabreliner; McDonnell F-101 Voodoo; McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom. 4,000+ total hours flown. 27 years U.S. Air Force service.
* Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: “Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn’t seem to be very forthcoming with answers.”
Lt. Col. David Gapp, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired Pilot and Qualified Aircraft Accident Investigator. Served as President, Aircraft Accident Board. Military aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Cessna T-37 Dragonfly “Tweet”, Northrup T-38 Talon. 3,000+ total hours flown. 31 years of U.S. Air Force service. One year as commercial pilot for Continental Airlines. Commercial aircraft flown: ATR-42.
* Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: “Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn’t seem to be very forthcoming with answers.”
Commander Larry J. Tortorich
Your little brains can’t go there, but for others, here’s a source, and it includes all professionals in the field of aviation, including NORAD officials, air traffic controllers, and many others, no stewardesses, sorry, Eric.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html
You’ve been posting that same link since the dinosaurs ruled. I have read it already long ago. Since I thought it was BS then, why would I find it any less so??
hard to make out what the post is driving at through all the anger, rage, and bile — I’m sure it must have a good point under all that though
Well, cbmc, once you get over your anger, rage and bile, try reading it again.
What “Others”?
Hey Beavis, she said “Member”, huh huh huh!
Yeah, Butthead, pretty cool, heh heh heh!
blubonnet:
Did you look up the name Sunstein? Did you look at the link from the BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE JOURNAL?
Yes, He wants to give animals rights in court the same as humans:
Fron the WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124683695891298003.html
In a significant, but little noticed, memo written 10 days after taking office, Mr. Obama ordered up a rewrite of how OIRA goes about its work, the first such revision since 1993. “Far more is now known about regulation — not only when it is justified, but also what works and what does not,” the president wrote. A regulatory review would make use of new tools and would “clarify the role of the behavioral sciences in formulating regulatory policy.” (How Progressive of him. We know more than you)
The dizzying breadth of Mr. Sunstein’s opining — he has weighed in on everything from motorcycle helmets to ways to avoid “uncivil emails” — has made him a target for both the right and left. He has written hundreds of legal papers and over 15 books, including the recent best seller “Nudge,” which focuses on how policy makers could better steer people away from bad decisions.
Some conservatives bristle at what they see as Mr. Sunstein’s paternalism: (Good definition for a Progressive) that most people don’t know what’s best for them and need nudges from on high. Rural Republicans are alarmed over his statements on the wisdom of a hunting ban and his suggestion that animals may deserve more rights in court.
That Cass Sunstein??????????
Same guy.
Well, John, Eric, I see your ignorance you’ve kept solidly intact. Good work. Ignoring with a vengeance. This was a different page, the last Patriots Question 911 link was a PILOTS page of a few hundred pilots, many many military pilots. And it doesn’t matter how many times I post it, because there is always new signatures. You are going to have to look in the mirror and see egg on your face sooner or later. You may very well stay in denial though.
You should see if you can get a job being a subject of study. I posted the link of the BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES JOURNAL, which finds your steadfast denial of reality an interesting phenomenon. This link, is the one I’m referring to.
http://abs.sagepub.com/content/vol53/issue6/
Probably trying to talk sense to you, that is Eric and John Hitchcock, is like trying to treat a dead person with medication. I’m a fool to try. Bye.
but not a terrorist right?
Your awesome profiling strategy after the Christmas Day Pantie bomber would have caught this guy no doubt.
and I still think anyone given a memo that says “Bin Laden Determined to attack” and called on 9/10 by Putin that something was going to happen knew something was up
donviti, if you go to the Patriots Question 911 link, you will see many military and various other government intelligence agencies that speak of the scores of warnings preceding the attack. It’s far more complicated though, because the reality that nano-thermite was in all the pulverized cement and pulverized all else, that military grades explosives material makes it more troubling. Did they know it was going to happen and then exploit it for all it was worth, for the wars? We would like some real answers.
donviti, listen to this firefighter….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TULmLtqRXZ4&feature=player_embedded
Blu, you need a break from this twoofer stuff. Listen to some good music instead. Right now I’ve got Van Halen playing on my CD player, and these guys can ROCK!
And if your taste runs to more romantic stuff, then their second album, Van Halen II offers up such classics as Beautiful Girls and of course the classic love song Dance The Night Away
Anyway, just sayin’ you need a distraction from time to time ….
Van Halen is okay from time to time when you’re looking for hard rock (that is real music unlike, say, Metallica). There are other hard rock groups that are also okay from time to time, like the “hair” bands, especially when they do their driving ballads. Or try Europe’s Final Countdown on for size. But I prefer more along the lines of “light and easy.” Ballads are by far preferable to other musical styles. Light and airy is great, as is quality harmonization (Simon and Garfunkle, PP&M). Acid music, which is very different from acid rock, is also good. Try APP or Floyd for that “out of this world” uniqueness.
Since he was a fan of Ludwig von Mises and promoted private commodity-based currencies, he is technically far right in terms of the neo-classical economics spectrum. He might have came from a moderate neo-left-wing background as his party registeration suggests.
I came from a moderate-right-wing background and strayed in the far-right economics of ludwig von mises and the libertarian party. I was always a social liberal though I tended to vote Republican. I have since reformed my views to my true views, which are of a Georgist variety of the school of classical economists. Recognizing that Ludwig von Mises was full of the same type of bunk as Karl Marx and Keynes was my first step towards realization I was following a corrupted neo-classical economics rather than a classical economics. It took awhile for me to discover my own understanding had a label.
Mises, Marx, and Keynes are neo-classical economics. They are a false left/right paradigm all funded and promoted by the Rockefeller foundation. The classical economics promoted by the Founding Fathers were classical liberal or classical progressive, thus they are classically, left-wing, often associated with modern conservatism but misled by neo-conservatives, like Bush.
And 9/11 truth crosses all political spectrums.
I may also add, “Common Sense” was written by a far-left classical progressive named Thomas Paine, whose political philosophy was better defined by Henry George in 1879 in his self-published economic treatise, Progress and Poverty. Henry George was considered a Democrat though he opposed the silver hard currency advocates in his party. Thomas Paine was also a social liberal, against all forms of slavery, racial division, and religious division. He was actually viewed as being against organized religion. Thomas Paine also sought economic justice. His essay “Agrarian Justice” sought a citizen dividend, like that promoted later by MLK and modern Georgists, so all people could afford their own land. Many of the “tea party” sort would view that as socialism since it is a redistribution of wealth, but really, it is redistribution wealth to the proper owners of the land. It also serves to replace the inefficient and unjust social programs of modern government.
I should also add that the “tea party” was started by 9/11 truthers and libertarians. It was hi-jacked by Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, who I might add was selected by the same people who selected Obama… Bilderberg and the CFR. Sarah Palin didn’t rise to popularity on her own, she was selected and put on the stage, much like Obama.
Thomas Paine was also a true patriot. He crossed the Delaware with George Washington.
i consider those on the left and middle to be socialists as well as neo-conservatives buying into trickle-down economists, the redistribution of wealth from the working class to the multi-national corporations and other special interest groups. i consider the far-right of anarcho-capitalism to also be socialists since they believe in the redistribution of labor from those without land and gold to those holding it.
i consider land necessary to secure life, property, and liberty and to require one to buy or rent land from a private owner to be a form of theft since no person creates land and the community is the owner of land value, not the one who holds title. i should make the distinction that land value is quite different from the value of landed-property. i also consider gold a form of theft through both deflation and through statist decree of it as a means of exchange, as i consider other forms of commodity-based currencies and debt currency to be theft. i only believe a true public, transparent, and paper fiat is the only form of currency which can best guard against fraud and theft.
i consider myself the far middle, the radical center, and the extreme moderate, since I consider a more justified division of political economy rather than an arbitary one. people, especially poor, deserve the full ownership of their labor, their earnings. other forms of wealth come from findings or stealings. those are unjustified forms of wealth and should be the source of taxation, not labor. income taxes and regressive forms of sales taxes, excise taxes, and corporate taxes are all taxes on labor. income taxes are absolutely wrong and non-productive. progressive forms of sales, excise, and corporate taxes can be remotely justified. however, monetary expansion needs and agrarian justice (land value taxation rather than property value taxation) are better sources of revenue while expenditure is best done through direct payment of citizen dividends rather than through social programs or “trickle-down” economics.
Well, there’s a new 9/11 Truther on the block:
Hat tip to DRJ.
That particular 911 truther is also a holocaust denier and someone who wants to eradicate Israel and the US by every means possible. He also has his thugs run down democracy protesters in the streets. Where’s Neville when you need him?
Well, I notice you and the MSM find a kook among millions of Truthers, and ignore the thousands of fully sane professionals relevant to the subject matter calling out the government on a myth.
You also ignore the link from the professional journal noting the phenomenon of denial of science, common sense, and irrefutable evidence of a government cover up. EVEN 911 Commissioners said it was a cover up they were forced to participate in.
Well, as you continue to hide from the ongoing compilation of evidence, no theories, just evidence, you prove that Einstein was right. My hat goes off to those gutsy professionals, especially the over 1100 architects and engineers, that have spoken out, but Einsteins quote, “Condemnation without investigation is the epitome of ignorance.” Hence the word IGNORE, root word of IGNORANT. Yeah, I know I said that already, but you don’t acknowledge it.
Alright objectivity and sanity among us. Welcome Henry George! Perry also is on to what’s real now as well.
Hey, Henry, did you watch the documentary I left the link for a ways up? On 6 March 2010, 1:38 am. Amazing history of the CIA.
“At some level of government, at some point in time, there was an agreement not to tell the people the truth about what happened.” John Farmer, Senior Counsel to the 9-11 Commission in his book The Ground Truth (Page 4)
Blu, you said you were leaving. We can’t miss you if you don’t leave.
Another 9/11 truther and independent hip-hop artist, KRS One, says, “Stop the violence!”
Wow, Oh Henry, oh Henry, LOL, in a good mood. Did you see this? At the major conference today, ABC showed up, you know FOX’s brother, and interviewed the two young brilliant film makers…LOOSE CHANGE, my gosh, I’m interested to know how it will be potrayed, if honest, if you want to see it before it’s aired…How is gets mangled or not. The challenge is ABC’s. This is them at the conference, with ABC on them. Did you know, one of them is a veteran? I feel stupid for not knowing that.
http://911blogger.com/node/22826
Blubonnet: “Perry also is on to what’s real now as well.”
What I am on to is that there are valid questions, based on science, being raised about the collapse, from the base, of the twin towers and building 7; therefore, further official inquiry should be carried out. It is very possible that there were more terrorists involved, on the ground, than those who took over four aircraft. Perhaps the Feds did not want to let the people know how vulnerable we really were at that time, something like the JFK assassination.
I find it much harder to believe even the possibility that there was complicity in the Federal Government to allow the 9/11 attacks to happen. Rather than being complicit, I am more inclined to think the Feds, including Bush, the FBI, and the CIA, were ignorant and incompetent. Dots were not connected, and warnings (August 7, 2001 PDB) were not heeded.
Our new guest Henry George has brought here some views that are interesting to contemplate:
Since we are into labels on this blog, in view of this statement, shouldn’t you Conservatives also be viewed as Socialists, Dana and JohnC being the exceptions? The rest of you are absolutists who favor a strong central government, but one that enforces your pet views rather than mine. Interesting!
This part confuses me:
It seems that Henry George is saying that land is owned by the state, therefore the value is determined by the state. It seems to me that this approach has been tried and has failed.
That said, the idea of taxing something other than labor (income tax) makes some sense. I like the Finnish system, as described in Wiki, which you might call a progressive VAT (Value Added Tax):
This progressive VAT, a consumption tax, works for the Finns, and might well work for us. Why not consider the idea?
Indeed? Just imagine if the “competent” Bill Clinton had aced bin Laden when he was dead in his sights …
Perry:
That said, the idea of taxing something other than labor (income tax) makes some sense. I like the Finnish system, as described in Wiki, which you might call a progressive VAT (Value Added Tax):
“In Finland, the standard rate of VAT is 22%, but will rise by one percentage point to 23% in July 2010, along with all other VAT rates, excluding the zero rate [6]. In addition, two reduced rates are in use: 12% (reduced in October 2009 from 17% for non-restaurant food, from July 2010 will encompass restaurant food also), which is applied on food and animal feed, and 8%, which is applied on passenger transportation services, cinema performances, physical exercise services, books, pharmaceuticals, entrance fees to commercial cultural and entertainment events and facilities. Supplies of some goods and services are exempt under the conditions defined in the Finnish VAT Act: hospital and medical care; social welfare services; educational, financial and insurance services; lotteries and money games; transactions concerning bank notes and coins used as legal tender; real property including building land; certain transactions carried out by blind persons and interpretation services for deaf persons.”
This progressive VAT, a consumption tax, works for the Finns, and might well work for us. Why not consider the idea?
Sounds real good Perry, lets try it out on New York City which has a population 30% larger than Finland to start. You just blindly state to try on 305million people what is done on 5 million people. First, lets have DE have a sales tax of 6% instead of the 0% you enjoy right now. And, like Finland, lets take gas up to $5+/gal along with the VAT and vote on it. And like all Scandinavian countries, lets collect income taxes to run the churches.