The students are revolting!

In California, he students are revolting! :)

Our good friend Donald Douglas, himself an associate professor of political science at a California state college, has several articles up, with lots of pictures, concerning the massive protests in the Pyrite State over cuts to education, here, here, here and here.

We’ve discussed this issue before, debating one of Dr Douglas’ readers who styled himself the Pissed Off Conservative. When I asked PO’dC how he voted in the special election in California on 19 May 2009, the one in which the voters were asked to approve (supposedly) temporary tax increases, PO’dC said that he had voted against the increases.

Well, a lot of Californians voted against those tax increases. Governor Arnold Schwarzeneggar (R-CA) told the voters that if they didn’t approve the proposed increases, there’d be significant cuts in state spending, including in education. State legislators from both parties told their constituents the same thing, the state education association campaigned for approval of the tax increases, and everybody knew what would happen if the voters turned down the tax increases.

By a nearly two-to-one margin, the voters rejected those tax increases.

So, it seems to me that there are really only a couple of questions to ask the student protestors:

  1. Did you vote in the special election on tax increases;
  2. If so, how did you vote;
  3. Did your parents vote in the special election; and
  4. If so, how did they vote?

It seems to me that, unless the answers to all of those questions are yes, then the protestors don’t have a thing to combitch about.

27 Comments

  1. What do you need for a school? A room, books, students, visual aids and a teacher. Everything else is window dressing. Been doing it for 30 years.

  2. Our good friend Donald Douglas, himself an associate professor of political science at a California state college, has several articles up, with lots of pictures, concerning the massive protests in the Pyrite State over cuts to education, here, here, here and here.

    Pirate state, Dana? Don’t you mean the Golden state? That’s what it was called when I lived there, with a golden grizzly bear on the State flag.

  3. Eric:
    Pirate state, Dana? Don’t you mean the Golden state? That’s what it was called when I lived there, with a golden grizzly bear on the State flag.

    Pyrite is known as fool’s Gold. It’s a golden color, but I think it’s in the Iron family of minerals.

  4. Pyrite is definitely a good choice for California. Hit a gold nugget with a hammer and it’ll flex but not break. Hit a pyrite nugget with a hammer and the nugget will shatter.

  5. It’s a predictable reaction when entitlement junkies are denied their fix; because the victim begins to resent being used.

  6. Art Downs had an excellent metaphor for this: It’s when the Morlocks start eating the Eloi.

    I miss Art. Hope he’s getting better, and can start contributing again.

  7. It seems to me that, unless the answers to all of those questions are yes, then the protestors don’t have a thing to combitch about.

    Oh, I hope you remember you wrote those words in the future. As California goes, so follows the rest of your country…

  8. Oh, I will, Phoe. Californians had a choice, put more starkly than ever: hold the line on taxes, and see government services cut, or increase taxes, and see government services cut less keep existing government services. That’s a bit more of a direct, more honest choice than voting for politicians who promise lower taxes and increased services — and Californians chose exactly as I would have: less government spending, and fewer government services.

  9. Oh, I will, Phoe. Californians had a choice, put more starkly than ever: hold the line on taxes, and see government services cut, or increase taxes, and see government services cut less keep existing government services.

    Alas, this is not the choice they were given. They were told they could cut taxes and not cut spending – remember the Republicans pushing the Laffer curve? They did not make this choice consciously – they were led to make this choice unconsciously by increments.

    You know this. You’re just being disingeneous again, which is why you’re held in contempt on Pandagon.

    And now we’re seeing the effects. It’s going to be interesting – especially given the debt bombs primed to explode on the national level. Political schlerosis is going to kill your country.

  10. Interesting comment I just read – if you add up all the college tuition paid in America, it equals less than 5% of what the US has spent on invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq.

    I guess it’s a matter of priorities – it’s not as if education is important to the country or the economy…

  11. The Phoenician wrote:

    Oh, I will, Phoe. Californians had a choice, put more starkly than ever: hold the line on taxes, and see government services cut, or increase taxes, and see government services cut less keep existing government services. (me)

    Alas, this is not the choice they were given. They were told they could cut taxes and not cut spending – remember the Republicans pushing the Laffer curve? They did not make this choice consciously – they were led to make this choice unconsciously by increments.

    You know this. You’re just being disingeneous again, which is why you’re held in contempt on Pandagon.

    Perhaps, had you actually looked things up, you’d not have written what you did.

    The governor presented a budget package that he says will go into effect if his ballot propositions fail; the budget has been described as the “doomsday budget”. This budget “…would lay off thousands of workers, cut billions from schools, strip poor children of healthcare coverage, slice money for child welfare services, swipe billions from cities and send tens of thousands of convicts to county jails or federal custody, all to fill a yawning $21.3-billion hole.

    • Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr. says “If Prop 1A does not pass, we will face an even more difficult budget that could lead to massive cuts to law enforcement, education, healthcare and transportation.”
    • Jeannine English, President of AARP in California says “Props 1A through 1F are absolutely critical to provide the short-term revenues we need to get our state through the devastating economic downturn we currently face. By establishing a rainy day fund that will require lawmakers to save, these measures also provide the lasting reforms we need to end the volatile budget cycles we experience every year and stabilize funding for healthcare, public transportation and other vital services.”
    • David A. Sanchez, president of the 340,000-member California Teachers Association says “The repayment of some of the money cut from education will allow local school districts to restore student programs, reduce class sizes and rehire educators who have been laid off. Many of these initiatives, especially Propositions 1A and B, are dependent on each other and if they fail, the state is back to square one in trying to balance the budget and our schools could face even deeper cuts.

    Of course Californians were told. Maybe some of them didn’t believe it, but they certainly were told.

  12. It’s funny but if you added up all the tuition paid in New Zealand it would total less than 1% of what the US Navy and Marines spent to keep the Japs out of that country in WWII.

    I guess it’s a matter of priorities.

  13. From George Will, in an op-ed piece in The Washington Post:

    If, since 1990, state spending increases had been held to the inflation rate plus population growth, the state would have a $15 billion surplus instead of a $42 billion budget deficit, which is larger than the budgets of all but 10 states. Since 1990, the number of state employees has increased by more than a third. In Schwarzenegger’s less than six years as governor, per capita government spending, adjusted for inflation, has increased nearly 20 percent.

    This was dated 3 May 2009, 2½ weeks before the special election on Propositions 1A-F.

  14. You know this. You’re just being disingeneous again, which is why you’re held in contempt on Pandagon.

    Uh, I don’t think I’d bring up Pandagon if I were you. Jesulurgic outed you as a “Rape Apologist Troll” a couple years back, and you have never really gotten your reputation back. Not to mention the regular poster who called you 31 flavors of asshole, which I remember well.

    At least on Pandagon Dana stands his ground, while you grovel over there like a starving dog.

  15. Since 1990, the number of state employees has increased by more than a third.

    Dana, you should know better than to cast facts before swine!

    PS Sorry about that, pho. No, actually, my apology is for the swine …

  16. Well, I do believe I’ve seen the Rape Apologist Troll (ROT) call all the conservatives on this site liars at one time or another. Of course, Perry will still do his work as a ROT enabler, regardless.

  17. I don’t remember the details of Jesurgislac’s “rape apologist troll” comments now, but from from what I do remember, I didn’t think it was justified.

  18. Well, I’m willing to slam the Phoenician whenever appropriate, but, if memory serves, Jesurgislac’s “evidence” that he was a rape apologist was far too strained to be persuasive.

  19. Well, I’m willing to slam the Phoenician whenever appropriate, but, if memory serves, Jesurgislac’s “evidence” that he was a rape apologist was far too strained to be persuasive.

    You mean what passes as quality over at Pandagon isn’t actually quality? And accuracy over at Pandagon means hitting the north 40 when you were aiming at the south 40?

  20. That means I could still have some fun with this. The troll uses a site to attack someone here when that site already attacked the troll. And the information used in the attack was not viable.

  21. It’s funny but if you added up all the tuition paid in New Zealand it would total less than 1% of what the US Navy and Marines spent to keep the Japs out of that country in WWII.

    You really don’t want to try this rubbish with me, unless you’re aware of the politics surrounding the 2NZEF and the Battle of Manners Street. We’re not happy about a bunch of racist pricks killing civilians, wether they’re Japanese “enemies” or American “friends”.

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