ALa, Philadelphia’s best-looking blogger, wrote:
CAIR Apologizes For Weekend Bomb Attempts
Yeah right. You didn’t really believe that…did you?
What they actually did was quickly issue a statement urging Americans to pretend it has not been Muslim males trying to blow up planes…and to continue screening red headed two year olds as diligently as Ebrahim from Yemen.
“A Muslim advocacy group is urging passengers, crews and security personnel to avoid ethnic and religious “profiling” in the wake of the attempted bombing of a Northwest Airlines flight in Detroit on Christmas Day.
In a statement, Ibrahim Hooper of the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations says, “While everyone supports robust airline security measures, racial and religious profiling are in fact counterproductive and can lead to a climate of insecurity and fear.” (source)
I’m sure the passengers aboard the two flights that were targeted over this Christmas weekend would feel more at ease knowing that if their planes would have exploded in mid air…it wouldn’t have been terrorism. According to our President, just a “man-caused disaster.” (source)
When police put out an alert concerning a criminal suspect at large, they do their best to give the public a description: “White male, aged 21 to 30, 5′ 10″ to 6′ tall, brown hair, clean shaven; the suspect should be considered to be armed and dangerous.” That description limits the search: people don’t waste their time looking for a 72 year old blue-haired little old lady.
Now, occasionally the description given to te public may be wrong: the real suspect might not look like the description at all. In the Washington beltway sniper case, the initial descriptions were way, way off, just to give an example. But that a description given might occasionally be wrong does not mean that we shouldn’t give descriptions of suspects when we have them.
Well, right now, our description of a would-be al Qaeda terrorist who wants to novly martyr himself seems to be: “Any race, any sex, any creed, any height and build, should be considered armed and dangerous.” That’s certainly the politically correct thing to say. But, in the real world, the most accurate description would be, “Muslim male, 20 to 50 years old, of Middle Eastern or African origin, Suspect shuld be considered armed and dangerous.” It will be argued that a potential suicide bomber might fall outside that description, and such an argument would be accurate enough: there have been a few female suicide attackers in the Middle East, for instance. But the vast majority of potential attackers would certainly fall under the description given.
The question needs to be asked: in the war against the Islamists, is it more important not to offend people, or to save lives?
It will be argued that if we turn the majority of our scrutiny toward Muslim males between 20 and 50, al Qaeda and its fellow travelers will simply use different people as the instruments of terror attacks. Well, maybe so, but that will mean they will have to recruit those people, will have to take another step to launch their attacks, a step which will add just another bit of difficulty. I don’t think that making al Qaeda’s job more difficult is a bad thing!
In the comments on this thread, we have a rather lively discussion on the attitudes in the Muslim world. Some have said that it is only a tiny minority of Muslims which causes the problem. Given how so many Muslims were celebrating the September 11th attacks — a terrorist attack which occurred before the war in Afghanistan and before the invasion of Iraq — I wonder just how small that minority is. But, regardless of its size, one thing is clear: the terrorist attacks from our enemies have all been committed by Muslim men of Middle Eastern or African extraction. That sometime in the future a terrorist attack could be carried out by someone named Olaf Svensen or Rial Njallsdöttir does not mean that we should regard such people as just-as-probable terrorists. Until we have the technology to screen everyone thoroughly, it only makes sense to concentrate on the more likely perpetrators.
Remember: if someone isn’t an American citizen or permanent resident, he has no particular right to enter the United States, and we are perfectly free to discriminate against him.
President Obama said Tuesday that a “systemic failure” on multiple levels allowed a passenger armed with explosives to board a Detroit-bound flight last week, as evidence mounts that there were warning signs and the government missed them.
The president, in his most extensive comments so far on what went wrong in the security process, said information about the terror suspect was not properly shared among intelligence agencies. He said that information, particularly a warning to authorities from the 23-year-old suspect’s father in Nigeria, should have landed him on a no-fly list well before he boarded the Northwest Airlines flight in Amsterdam.
“The warning signs would have triggered red flags and the suspect would have never been allowed to board that plane for America,” Obama said. “A systemic failure has occurred, and I consider that totally unacceptable.”
More below:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/29/obama-systemic-failure-allowed-terror-suspect-board-flight/
For all those who absolutely love to point to the Aug 2001 memo and say Bush should have known four planes would be hijacked and flown into buildings, this is worse. From top to bottom this Maladministration doesn’t give a rat’s butt on security of this country. We are still in a Global War On Terror, and not a Man-Made Disaster or Overseas Contingency Operation.
Napolitano should be fired on the spot. My feeling before the election that BO is a wimp on security, this just re-inforces it for me. I have lost all trust that this Maladministration can keep the country safe.
The Constitution does Not contain a right that you can’t be offended.
I thought we established that it was a “living document” and means whatever they say it means whenever they say it. If they say Moslems can’t be offended, they can’t. If they say all the crosses in Arlington must go, they must go.
You realize the most recent attacker looked like your average black guy, right? So he wouldn’t have been identified by your profiling strategy…
Jeff are you seriously suggesting that profiling would not have picked up on a guy named Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, traveling the way he did and acting the way he did? I don’t know about you but my “average black guy” does not have a 27 syllable Moslem name.
Jeff wrote:
As John C noted, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is somewhat different from Pmar Johnson. In addition, not only was he Muslim — and religion is designated on many foreign passports — but he was a Nigerian citizen, something else which should have raised a red flag had anyone demanded to see his passport.
But your argument in specificity does not invalidate the general principle: simply because one guy slipped through does not mean we shouldn’t keep checking.
how can you have a discussion when someone doesn’t get the simple concept that security freedom?
If I chain you up to a radiator and tell you that I don’t want you to go outside b/c you will get raped would you be happy that you don’t have your freedom but are safe from being raped?
Sorry Dana, but safety does not mean freedom. I’d rather die being free then die b/c I was told I was being kept safe.
crap…the does not equal sign went away!
I meant to say security does not equal freedom
The question needs to be asked: in the war against the Islamists, is it more important not to offend people, or to save lives?
No, it doesn’t need to be asked. You feel it needs to be asked. Even Chertoff on NPR yesterday said that profiling doesn’t work. This guy was black. He was hardly what would fit your narrow stereotypical picture of an “Islamist”
and you question is bullshit regardless. “offend” you make it sound like infringing on someones rights is just a teeny weeny issue. Ho hum, no bother, you are what we think you are. Sorry about your luck. The other sand niggers ruined it for you. Not our problem.
If you are going to ask the question ask the real one that needs to be asked not your bullshit phrasing of it.
Is it ok to take away my freedoms to save lives?
NO, it isn’t. Prove you are saving lives when you take away the freedoms. Try giving back those freedoms that were taken away once all the “islamists” are killed or no longer hate us. Show me in our constitution where being safe trumps freedom?
Your logic is really surprising. You don’t want big government. You don’t want socialism. You are worried about the President being a communist or even an American. But it is ok for the government to decide who is not a threat and who is.
common sense political thought: fail
JohnC.:
Jeff are you seriously suggesting that profiling would not have picked up on a guy named Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, traveling the way he did and acting the way he did? I don’t know about you but my “average black guy” does not have a 27 syllable Moslem name.
Yes you dope. B/C our brilliant strategy of profiling names would mean they would all name themselves John Smith III.
don’t leave the house today. It’s raining dogs and I want you to be safe from dog rain.
In the comments on this thread, we have a rather lively discussion on the attitudes in the Muslim world. Some have said that it is only a tiny minority of Muslims which causes the problem. Given how so many Muslims were celebrating the September 11th attacks — a terrorist attack which occurred before the war in Afghanistan and before the invasion of Iraq — I wonder just how small that minority is. But, regardless of its size, one thing is clear: the terrorist attacks from our enemies have all been committed by Muslim men of Middle Eastern or African extraction.
Wrong. A few women have been thrown into the mix strapped with Bombs.
What about the American that we found on the battlefield?
How easily you forget about that awful threat to our nation Padilla
Wait, remember that white guy that bombed that building in what state was it? Oklohoma?
Hmmm….I could go on, but three examples is enough to prove my point.
You “guys” love to talk about the constitution, the 2nd Ammendment, but when it comes to profiling all hands are in favor.
Do you mean this guy? “José Padilla (born October 18, 1970 in Brooklyn, New York), also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir or Muhajir Abdullah , is a United States citizen convicted of aiding terrorists.” (Wiki). Sounds Moslem to me.
John Walker Lindh, the American “found on the battlefield” CONVERTED TO ISLAM! AND: “Lindh went by Sulayman al-Faris during his time in Afghanistan, but prefers the name Hamza Walker Lindh today” (Wiki). Sounds Moslem to me.
The Oklahoma bomber was NOT a jihadist, he was an American anti-government nut and he didn’t get on a plane so profiling has nothing to do with him.
Women bombers have not yet been used in America however, ALL Moslems should be profiled even women and children. Moslems have proven they don’t care about women and children so it is not beyone the relm they would use them to kill us.
It’s called “risk” profiling. And wether you admit it or not donviti, Moslems pose the greatest risk.
By the way donviti, no one has a Constitutional right to fly.
That’s the new one I have been hearing too. I don’t have the right to walk technically either. It doesn’t say it anywhere in that thing either.
Seriously, go play in the little sand box with the special kids. You can try and rein supreme over there.
The Oklahoma bomber was NOT a jihadist, he was an American anti-government nut and he didn’t get on a plane so profiling has nothing to do with him.
Women bombers have not yet been used in America however, ALL Moslems should be profiled even women and children. Moslems have proven they don’t care about women and children so it is not beyone the relm they would use them to kill us.
It’s called “risk” profiling. And wether you admit it or not donviti, Moslems pose the greatest risk.
I stand by my observation that you are a dope.
People like you are the biggest threat to my freedom. If you are stoopid enough to believe that by profiling a race of people we are going to be safer then that makes you a bigger threat than some nut job that wants me out of their country.
I just killed a bumble bee. There that one wont sting me. I’m safer.
I know, I will kill all bumble bees from now on. Then I will no longer be attacked by them. Hence, I will be safer.
From now on, we should make sure no more bumble bees ever get into the country.
Anyone that looks like a bumble bee needs to be screened and killed.
done and done.
we are safer as a nation now
Donviti, you have descended into the liberal catchall of belittling and name calling anyone with whom you disagree. You are no longer credible.
You do have a right to walk and it does say so in “That Thing”. It also says so in “That other Thing”.
I’m profiling you. I deem you an idiot now.
I don’t disagree with you. You are just wrong. Hell, when a Bush appointee says profiling wont work then I am going to defer to him. Not some bigot that thinks all “moslems” should be profiled.
Hence, I have now profiled you as an idiot. An idiots make Amerika less safe. You are a risk to this country.
dimwitty was NEVER credible, John.
Profiling utlilizes a LOT more than just “looking at someone.” And if it doesn’t work, someone tell me why El Al airlines is the safest freakin’ carrier around, hmm?
Israel profiles and I’m pretty sure they are less safe than we are as a nation.
Again, another bigot steps in to defend the idiocy of profiling.
I will defer to Mike Chertoff and not you pube. A safe airline does not equate to a safer country. I know it’s a leap you like and want to make but just b/c you say it doesn’t make it so.
Israel profiles and I’m pretty sure they are less safe than we are as a nation.
Wrong. Check out their airline, idiot. And to make such an overall comparison to Israel and the US on the basis of mere profiling once again shows what a complete moron you are.
Oh, and of course, those who “profile” are “bigots.” Never let it be said that moonbats never resort to this nonsense. Thus, according to dimwitty, ALL police depts. are “bigots.”
donviti:
2009 May 20: 2009 New York City bomb plot Three U.S. citizens and one Haitian from Newburgh, New York were arrested in a plot to bomb a Riverdale Temple and a Riverdale Jewish Center in The Bronx, New York City in an alleged homegrown terrorist plot. It was also alleged that they planed to shoot down military planes operating out of Stewart Air National Guard Base also in Newburgh. One of the suspects whose parents are from Afghanistan was said to be “unhappy that many Muslim people were being killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan by the United States Military forces.”[92][93][94]
2009 September: Najibullah Zazi of Denver was indicted on charges of trying to build and detonate a weapon of mass destruction by purchasiing hydrogen peroxide, acetone and other chemicals. Prosecutors suspect he wanted set off bombs on September 11 on commuter trains in New York.[95] On September 29 Zazi plead not guilty to the charges.[96][97] Zazi and two others were previously arrested on charges of making false statements to the government following raids in New York City and Colorado. ABC News reported that the plot involves at least three teams of four men each.[98][99][100]. As of September 25 dozens of suspects were still being monitored.[95]
2009 August – September: On September 24 William Boyd and Hysen Sherifi charged with “conducting reconnaissance of the Marine Corps base at Quantico, Virginia and obtaining armor-piercing ammunition with the intent to attack Americans”. Boyd, two of his sons and several other suspects had been charged on international terrorism charges in August, but at the time there was no indication that they wanted to plot a United States attack. An audio tape of Boyd decrying the U.S. military, discussing the honor of martyrdom, and bemoaning the struggle of Muslims was played at a August hearing. It is the first case of a ring of homegrown terrorists having specific targets.[101][102].
2009 September 24: Michael Finton/Talib Islam a 29 year old man from Illinois charged with trying to kill federal employees by detonating a car bomb at the federal building in Springfield, Illinois. Charges based on F.B.I. sting operation.[101] He is said to idolize American-born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh.[103]
2009 September 24: Hosam Maher Husein Smadi a 19 year old illegal immigrant from Jordan charged with trying the bomb the 60 story Fountain Place office tower in Dallas, Texas. Charges are based on F.B.I. sting operation in which agents posed as members of an Al Queda sleeper cell.[101][103]
2009 October 21: Tarek Mehanna a pharmacist from suburban Boston arrested on charges of conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. The federal charge alleges a plot to obtain atomic weapons, shoot up two mails, and assassinate two unnamed former members of the executive branch of the federal government. The alleged plot was repotedly inspired by the 2002 Beltway Sniper Attacks. The suspect allegedly went abroad on a failed trip to buy weapons. (Wiki).
All nice Irish kids, eh? Don’t risk profile just let them blow us all the F-up.
Historically illiterate dimwitty: Try giving back those freedoms that were taken away once all the “islamists” are killed or no longer hate us.
You possess MYRIAD more freedoms today during this “war” on radical Islamic terror than Americans have ever had. Did we get back our lost freedoms after the Civil War, dimwitty? WW I and WW II? If we did not, we’d be living in what today would resemble an authoritarian regime.
Given how so many Muslims were celebrating the September 11th attacks — a terrorist attack which occurred before the war in Afghanistan and before the invasion of Iraq — I wonder just how small that minority is.
Common misconception, but a misconception nonetheless. Most of the Muslim world mourned with us that day, including even the Iranians. It was only a few hard-core militant West Bankers who actively celebrated. Check out this rarity – a well-sourced Wikipedia article – for a couple interesting sources on the matter.
The question should be not how many Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks but how many sympathize with attacks on US civilians currently. Most polls I’ve seen have that number rather low, though the response would likely be heavily dependent on the phrasing of the question…
Jeff: Is 26% of Muslim-Americans “low?”
great cut and past job Jeff!
Hube? we need to profile American Citizens?
crap, I mean John C. No offense Jeff. I was profiling anyone with a J and assumed you were an idiot too. You just got caught in my data security sweep
dimwitty? It happens all the time. Newsflash, I know, for you. It’s called POLICING.
Hube:
Oh, and of course, those who “profile” are “bigots.” Never let it be said that moonbats never resort to this nonsense. Thus, according to dimwitty, ALL police depts. are “bigots.”
driving while black didn’t just pop up out of the blue you know. And no, i’m not implying that about “ALL” depts. They have broad brushes on sale at Lowe’s this week. You should stock up.
I didn’t make the leap that you are a bigot based on this post pube. You have a history of evidence on that newsbusters link web page you call a blog.
“Most polls I’ve seen have that number rather low, though the response would likely be heavily dependent on the phrasing of the question”
Again Jeff, I assume you mean “low” as a percentage of Moslems. There are about 1.2 billion Moslems so if ONLY 5% agree with killing American citizens that would roughly translate to 60 million. That’s a shit load of potential bombers, isin’t it?
Managing the “risk” in airline travel is not an option. If we fail to protect domestic and foreign travel our enemies have successfully crippled our international abilities.
and here I thought the cars said “police”
the blogosphere is a lot safer when you are back misguiding our states youth during the day. Can’t wait till winter break is over.
You have a history of evidence on that newsbusters link web page you call a blog.
I’d ask you to show just what is “bigoted” about anything I’ve written, but considering what is deemed “bigoted” these days (just see campaign 2008, to name one) I know it’s a futile gesture. That, and I’d rather ask someone who can actually think and reason than someone who merely leaps to conclusions.
I still like eliminating bumble bees. If we get rid of all bumble bees we cant ever be stung!
well, dang,that’s not true. Wasps, we have to get rid of wasps too!
Scorpions! shit, I forgot about scorpions!
OH MY GOD! Sting rays! STING RAYS!
I don’t think I can leave the house today. I don’t feel safe! We need to protect Amerika from all things evil!
the blogosphere is a lot safer when you are back misguiding our states youth during the day. Can’t wait till winter break is over.
Indeed? At least I have a job instead of sleeping late everyday and then writing pathetic poetry about offspring …
yawn, when do you tell me about your spanish concubine that does your laundry and beds with you on Tuesdays?
Is who you write poetry about really yours, dimwitty? How do we really know??
English Pube, english please. I know you teach Spanish and sometimes get confused between languages.
repeat your question in English?
donviti said:
” didn’t make the leap that you are a bigot based on this post pube.”
So the person who used the phrase “sand niggers” is calling Hube a bigot? You lefists are really out there.
when do you tell me about your spanish concubine that does your laundry and beds with you on Tuesdays?
So writes the “man” who complains about “bigots.”
Dude, eres demasiado fácil, cabrón. Es un milagro que puedes funcionar en la vida.
English, Spanish … your limited mental faculties can’t grasp either …
In this light I present
Bill of No Rights
By Lewis Napper
We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden, delusional and other liberal, commie, pinko bedwetters.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights.
ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen color TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone—not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.
ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.
ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we’re just not interested in public health care.
ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don’t be surprised if the rest of us get together and kill you.
ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don’t be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won’t have the right to a big-screen color TV or a life of leisure.
ARTICLE VIII: You don’t have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won’t lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you’d like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and funny hat.
ARTICLE IX: You don’t have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities in education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.
ARTICLE X: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness—which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
I don’t know how the conservatives on this site leave there houses. Any black person or non white could be a terrorists in their minds.
Hube give up. You can’t beat a self loathing, drunk, dysfunctional liberal. He enjoys the abuse.
That’s why we carry guns everywhere
Yorkshire’s latest BS:“I have lost all trust that this Maladministration can keep the country safe.”
Right, Yorkshire, as if you ever trusted him/them! As usual, with you it is all about ideology over country, as is with all you teabagger extremists!
Obama said:“The intelligence community had bits of information that should have been pieced together that would have triggered “red flags” and possibly prevented the Christmas Day attempted terror attack on a Detroit-bound airliner.”
If you read this AP report with all the details, I think you will agree that the administration is on top of this serious problem. It certainly is much bigger than mere profiling and security searches of passengers on inbound flights, as Yorkshire’s and JohnC’s simplistic approach would suggest otherwise. Donviti’s bumble bee analogy is quite apt!
h., please don’t start with the “runk” stuff. I once had two Wild Turkeys at my own restaurant and when I got on this site was accused by Pho of being drunk. Imagine that, thinking a full blown Irishman could get drunk off a couple Turkey’s. It’s just crazy!
I don’t know how the conservatives on this site leave there houses.
Like shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to proving my case about your mental ineptitude …
Sorry, but he’s a self proclaimed. No speculating on my part. This douche brings it on himself.
h.:
With that personal attack, you just demonstrated your nasty side quite well! I hold out hope that there is another side to you.
Perry, you always manage to miss the big picture. Neither Yorkshire nor myself believe there is anything “simplstic” about international terrorism, case you haven’t noticed. We just believe that “risk” profiling can be a useful part in maintaing security. Not ALL the puzzel, just a piece of it. But to completely discard profiling is foolish.
You want to get depressed, visit donviti’s blog, “The Wage Slave”. It’s the definition of liberalism. All the whining, anger,misery, personal issues and crappy poetry and you can(or can’t) handle.
Just like DL, I visit to remind myself how great my life is.
You guys are gonna love this. I was sitting here typing my response to Perry and my wife came in and said: “I’m going to Bally’s to exercise. By the way I met a lady from Afganistan at Bally’s and she’s coming to our house for lunch today, Okay”? I busted out laughing and thought of donviti thinking I was riddled with fear! I hope Mrs. John C. serves Korean food. I’d love to hear that review.
Perry, remove the blinders, donviti is “the” nastiest of them all.
Overall, I concur with Perry’s last comment. Let’s not go over the top with criticism of the admin. just because a nut almost got lucky. They’re on the situation now. I remember many a rightist NOT berating Bush for 9/11. But, criticism IS rightly justified for overly PC “security” measures and idiotic comments (Napolitano), etc.
h., I’ve done it myself, I’m ashamed to say. Usally it’s Pho I get pissed at after being called an idiot, insane, stupid, a moron, ignorant or many other sweet names. Then I type in sour, nasty words and hit “Submit Comment” before I realize by doing that, he wins. Now I take Prozac when I read their remarks and try to keep the snyping to a minimum. Remember, the last vestage of a liberal scoundrel is name calling. We’re right and should be bigger than that.
JohnC.:
You guys are gonna love this. I was sitting here typing my response to Perry and my wife came in and said: “I’m going to Bally’s to exercise. By the way I met a lady from Afganistan at Bally’s and she’s coming to our house for lunch today, Okay”? I busted out laughing and thought of donviti thinking I was riddled with fear! I hope Mrs. John C. serves Korean food. I’d love to hear that review.
I’m not a racist, I have black friends he chortles too himself.
Let me know how the discussion on muslims and profiling goes tough guy.
It’s ok John. I still think you are an idiot. I’ve profiled you and you fall under that category. We are all safer knowing that you fall under this category. I’m sorry you don’t like it. But my master data base filed your name under “idiot”
You don’t have to like it. But it’s my system and in order for me to feel safer I must do this.
Also, Hube and H are deemed “idiots” as well. They fit my profile.
You may not like me, but until you are all dead I won’t feel safe. This could of course create more enemies on my part and I could be subject to more attacks from Idiots. But, I know an idiot when I see one now and thanks to my profiling software we can all feel safer.
It’s a shame you “idiots” don’t see the logic in my name calling or get what I’m doing. You really are so dumb. So dumb.
donviti, thank you very much for the “tough guy” moniker. But after two tours in Nam, two Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star with “V” and 39 kills, I already knew that. And I was just a kid then, you should see me now.
h.:
Hube give up. You can’t beat a self loathing, drunk, dysfunctional liberal. He enjoys the abuse.
30 December 2009, 9:43 am
it’s not abuse and it’s not self loathing. I get a rise out of people that think they are better than me and try to take me down a peg or two. If it makes you feel better h when you type that stuff go for it. I know after you write those things you feel all strong and powerful like you just stuck it to me. I put myself out there and you can do what you want with the information. You chose to use it in this way. It says a lot about you.
JohnC.:
donviti, thank you very much for the “tough guy” moniker. But after two tours in Nam, two Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star with “V” and 39 kills, I already knew that. And I was just a kid then, you should see me now.
grrrrrrr I’m a tough guy with “39 kills” grrrrrrr.
Go have dinner with a Middle Easterner and tell her she needs to be profile on a fucking airplane b/c of her name and skin color tough guy.
Liberals are against profiling Islamic jihadis, but they have no problem at all profiling the Bush Administration or anyone with enough sense to tell a terrorist from a “teabagger.”
These ignorent maggots refuse to see the bloodthirsty Muslim terrorists standing in broad daylight right in front of them. Liberals look the other way and cover their ears when the jihadis proudly admit their deadly intentions.
Liberals are too stupid, lazy, and cowardly to protect their own women and children. Liberals support the right of Islamic terrorists to operate unhindered over the right of Americans to protect themselves from mass murderers.
If anyone ever needed proof that modern liberalism is a mental disease, they have only to read the above comments.
ropelight is an idiot. My profiling software is pinging big time
Perry:
Yorkshire’s latest BS:“I have lost all trust that this Maladministration can keep the country safe.”
Right, Yorkshire, as if you ever trusted him/them! As usual, with you it is all about ideology over country, as is with all you teabagger extremists!
Perry, you have noted about W being handed the Aug 2001 report and was to divine four hijacked planes on 9/11. BO’s Administration was handed name, rank and serial number and they effed it up. Perry, you can go on with your love affair of all things BO, but he is immature, incompetent and is worried about himself.
Okay donviti. I’ll take you up on that. I will ask the lady what she thinks and will report back. I don’t even know if she is Moslem though, somehow I doubt it. I don’t think they permit their women to swim, sauna and exercise with men at Bally’s. Gotta go now but I’ll tell you what she says later, donviti.
Sincerely,
Tough Guy
Just the fact that I’m not a liberal makes me better than you.
Hube, your poll is meaningless. The question wasn’t asked in context. Find me a poll that says “who thinks it’s okay to kill non-Muslim American civilians” and we’ll talk.
JohnC, you have a point, but profiling itself is only of limited utility. Furthermore, announcing a policy of profiling undermines our most important anti-terror tactic – having the cooperation of the mainstream Muslim community so that they can point out the violence-prone in their midst to us. The North Carolina “terror” cell was blown open in part because of information gleaned from the local Muslim grapevine, and moderate Muslim informants told us about the Underpants Bomber before he even boarded the plane. If we start profiling, that sends the message that all Muslims are regarded as the enemy, and makes that vital sort of collaboration less likely. Setting aside the distastefulness of presuming guilt because of physical appearance, it’s just bad strategy.
h.:
Just the fact that I’m not a liberal makes me better than you.
I got jesus on my side you have falwell.
I don’t think they permit their women to swim, sauna and exercise with men at Bally’s.
I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic here, but truth is that there’s quite the diverse range of Muslims in America, ranging from the woman in my apartment complex who wanders around in full burqa to the former student-body president at my university who didn’t even bother with the hijab.
I’m glad you found Jesus. Best of luck.
ps. I’m not very religious. Try again.
sweet. My religion says you are going to hell then. Either way I’m a winner on this one.
Great. See you in hell.
Tone Deaf BO is going ahead with this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/administration-rejects-calls-reconsider-guantanamo-bay-closure/
Administration Rejects Calls to Reconsider Guantanamo Closure Plan
FOXNews.com
The Obama administration is pushing back against calls to halt or delay closing the Guantanamo Bay prison in light of the failed Christmas Day terror attack, suggesting that shutting down the prison will undermine terrorist recruitment in the very network that claimed responsibility for last week’s plot.
Sit back, relax, have another drink, get a head start on tomorrow’s celebrations. Don’t worry, be happy!
Janet Napolitano is on the job. Once those mean ol’ jihadi terrorists see her coming they’ll run and hide. There now, don’t you feel all warm and fuzzy?
Former CIA officer Jack Rice hits back hard at the comments made by Pete King and his cohorts about racial profiling on the Ed Schultz Show.
Chertoff a Bush appointee says profiling is wrong and doesn’t work. Now, a former CIA guy says the same thing. And he is calling Hube, John C and Dana Racists.
For the record I was being nice and just calling you guys bigots though.
Why would he reconsider closing Gitmo, Yorkshire? It’s a symbolic move that wouldn’t make a practical difference one way or the other. Instead of being in legal limbo in a prison in Cuba, the detainees will be in legal limbo in a prison in Illinois. The only people who’ll notice a difference will be a) the people of Thomson, Ill. who might be able to do something about that double-digit unemployment rate and b) the detainees, who won’t have their legal status changed but will need coats during the winter.
Hube, your poll is meaningless. The question wasn’t asked in context. Find me a poll that says “who thinks it’s okay to kill non-Muslim American civilians” and we’ll talk.
Uh, right, Jeff: According to the Pew Research Center poll released late last month, about 25% of American Muslims ages 18 to 19 said, “the use of suicide bombing against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified, at least on rare occasions.”
Wanna talk now? Or you wanna obfuscate some more?
dimwitty quotes: Look, I think when people make an argument for racial profiling they’re either lazy, they’re either arrogant, or frankly they’re racist.
Then says: And he is calling Hube, John C and Dana Racists. [sic]
Except, of course, that I said there are MANY aspects to profiling. But it’s YOU, dimwitty. Must’ve missed that comment in between your written “serenades” to your offspring. Maybe that old NBC TV show called “Profiler” was, y’know, “racist” too.
Jeff:
Why would he reconsider closing Gitmo, Yorkshire? It’s a symbolic move that wouldn’t make a practical difference one way or the other. Instead of being in legal limbo in a prison in Cuba, the detainees will be in legal limbo in a prison in Illinois. The only people who’ll notice a difference will be a) the people of Thomson, Ill. who might be able to do something about that double-digit unemployment rate and b) the detainees, who won’t have their legal status changed but will need coats during the winter.
Personally, if I were in Thomson, IL, I would be thinking of moving if the GITMO gang gets there. It’s not Supermax like in CO. I would not feel safe thinking this place would be ground zero for every jihadi and would be jihadi on earth. At GITMO they’re blocked on one side by Castro, and the other by the sea.
Who has that island off the So. American coast I think was called Devil’s Island? Now there is a good place.
I’m surprised BO hasn’t let them go back to Yemen.
Just wait until KSM’s trial in NYC starts. Ah, my faith in Janet and BO to keep us safe has a…, um,…. ah,…. duh,….. mmmm dropped.
Must’ve missed that comment in between your written “serenades” to your offspring. Maybe that old NBC TV show called “Profiler” was, y’know, “racist” too.
Was that on before or after 24.
Actually, in my last comment I believe that is a typo in the quoted article. Should be ages 18-30.
Thank god you corrected that typo. Now your point makes sense. If you hadn’t corrected it, we would have never believed you.
Jeff:
Why would he reconsider closing Gitmo, Yorkshire? …. the detainees will be in legal limbo in a prison in Illinois. The only people who’ll notice a difference will be …… b) the detainees, who won’t have their legal status changed but will need coats during the winter.
I truly believe that once the GITMO detainees will need coats, the ACLU or someone closely related will be calling for the detainees to have full legal rights to civilian courts etc., and there will be some insane judge somewhere granting them. (but they’ll have their coats anyway)
The typo is in the article, Neanderthal, not my comment. And you won’t understand the point anyway — it’s made of words more than one syllable.
Mr Viti wrote:
Actually, Mr Viti, I wrote that statement very precisely: by stating terrorist attacks from our enemies, I deliberately excluded the terrorist attacks carried out by women, since those were not attacks aimed at us. Israel has been the most frequent victim there.
He launched no terrorist attack; he was fighting in Afghanistan.
Ohhh, so you tried to narrow your example because you knew of existing examples that would prove your statement wrong? Either way, it is still wrong. Prove those women that bombed people didn’t kill American Soldiers please. Or better yet, ask them…
You skipped Timmy of course b/c that is the shiny example that shoots your theory to shit. That and the Polish dude that went on a rampage earlier this year killing cops. don’t forget about the VT killer that was Korean either. I guess those two kids in Columbine didn’t cause terror either.
Regardless, keep trying to narrow the reason to profile.
I stand by my agreement with a guy that ran Homeland Security and a CIA officer over a blogger and a spanish teacher that links to newsbusters every day of the week.
Not so. It clearly implies it as the S.C. has noted, based on both the privileges and immunites clause of the Constitution and the concept of substantive due process; and as has been recognized since the 19th century. If you have the Constitutional and natural right to travel from state to state, but not a right to demand transport from others, what you have at base, is a right to walk. Or crawl, if that is more to your taste.
You also have the right to bake bread (Gibbons V Ogden), but then, that is a somewhat different issue.
John C wrote:
Oops, you were already there, and made the point. Good work.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0394_0618_ZC.html
thanks for the correction. I still like how it descends to it is a right it’s a privilege argument. Once there we are free to infringe b/c they don’t have rights. It’s a non winning argument as the regulation would have to come from the government…
but feel free to use the “it is not a right it’s a privilege” argument anytime.
Being a conservative must be hard when you don’t want big government or regulation but want big government and regulation. I really want to know how we are going to pay for all this without taxes.
it’s so easy to slap you guys around with your own logic.
Well, I have every confidence that Obama’s fat lesbian pygmy hippopotamus Homeland Security chief will protect us from bible thumping Christians and gun toting military vets hanging out (at the bar) at the local American Legion Hall. We can’t be too careful, you know how those guy get around the 4th of July.
You’re welcome
It doesn’t descend to a “privilige” argument. The “privileges and immunities” clause of the Constitution, under which you are entitled as a citizen of the Federal Union to travel, is different from the substantive due process right you also have to walk about as a law abiding man.
You said you had no such right under the Constitution. It has now been twice pointed out that you did under Constitutional law and doctrine, and that this has long been the case, and is widely recognized as settled law.
In light of this the rest of your comments are revealed as based on a false assumption, and are rendered moot.
With all the conservatives complaining about special treatment for minorities, it seems hypocrtical that they want just that for non-colored Christians when travelling by air. Mandatory religious identification on ID will be necessary for religious profiling to be implemented in this country, and travelling to this country, but the skin color issue will take care of itself, one line for whites, another for everyone else. Ann Coulter has made it clear that Christianity is the ethically superior religion; and she wants all Christians (or at least the white ones) to be able to enjoy the benefits of being a member of that religion when travelling by air.
Yorkshire: “Napolitano should be fired on the spot.”
We’ve seen it demonstrated that war crimes and human rights abuses aren’t punished by jail time or even the loss of a job, when it’s a government official. Why should we be all worked up about her?
From Earth-Bound Misfit’s site:
Does the CIA work for her? No.
Do the people who screen passengers in Lagos or Brussels work for her? No.
Do the people at the Bureau of Consular Affairs, the ones who issue visas, work for her? No.
You’ll have to make a better case than “She’s a Democrat and a woman.”
Republicans like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, instead of doing some critical thinking about our failures regarding this security breach, instead are attempting to make political hay, as put well by Steve Benen right here:
Regarding their patriotism, I’ll let their actions speak volumes, then you decide! Our Conservative friends on this blog need to consider wisely their criticism as well. This is very serious stuff, over which we must not be divided as a nation by playing GOP partisan ‘politics as usual’.
Nangleator:
Yorkshire: “Napolitano should be fired on the spot.”
We’ve seen it demonstrated that war crimes and human rights abuses aren’t punished by jail time or even the loss of a job, when it’s a government official. Why should we be all worked up about her?
From Earth-Bound Misfit’s site:
Does the CIA work for her? No.
Do the people who screen passengers in Lagos or Brussels work for her? No.
Do the people at the Bureau of Consular Affairs, the ones who issue visas, work for her? No.
You’ll have to make a better case than “She’s a Democrat and a woman.”
No, but she’s the one who took responsibility, in a way, and said everything worked as it should. Hmm, then she said there was a breakdown. So, what was it? It broke down perfectly???? And if she were a Republican, the Left would be screaming at the top of your lungs. And if Bush took three days to make a statement, the screams would be louder. Brownie got fired for NOLA, Napolitano should get the same for her Brownie yer doin a good job moment.
I took her statement that everything worked as it should because the bomb didn’t detonate because of an incompetent terrorist.
Perry:
Regarding their patriotism, I’ll let their actions speak volumes, then you decide! Our Conservative friends on this blog need to consider wisely their criticism as well. This is very serious stuff, over which we must not be divided as a nation by playing GOP partisan ‘politics as usual’.
LOL, where the hell were you from 2002 to 2008? In that time frame the Dems screamed Bush couldn’t do a thing right. That’s right, BO transcends all that. There was no GWOT and Bush made it all up.
Jeff wrote:
The Muslim American citizens who have been assimilated into Western culture aren’t the ones about whom we have to worry. The ones about whom we worry are the non-Americans, the ones who have not been assimilated into Western culture; that’s why, when you do profile, you are looking for foreigners.
Yorkshire objects:“LOL, where the hell were you from 2002 to 2008? In that time frame the Dems screamed Bush couldn’t do a thing right.”
Well Bush couldn’t do anything right for quite some time, as we now suffer from his incompetencies: the Iraq War, the economy, neglect of the clean air/clean water, no energy policy, global warming denial, neglect of health care needs, …. Everyone agrees, except for the GOP hard right, of which you are a well known right wing partisan on this blog, Yorkshire. Nothing, nothing, nothing the Dems do is worth a damn, according to your responses. Good thing you take beautiful photographs!
His leadership was great just after 9/11, and he may have been correct about the surge in Iraq. Finally, after he got rid of Rummy and stopped listening to Cheney he became a better President, but he did so much damage in the meantime, that it will be quite a long while for us to recover, in my view.
Perry wrote “it will be quite a long while for us to recover, in my view.”
Yes yes, it’ll take 8 years, right?
Obama has no class. He’s the most narcissistic, vain, and arrogant president, since… Teddy Roosevelt? No, he at least took responsibility for his actions.
So the left will keep using the “it will be quite a long while for us to recover” as long as it’s politically profitable for them to do so. My guess, though, is that the press is going to grow weary with Obama’s excuses pretty soon, and they’ll turn on him.
Obama, like Janet Napolitano, has nothing but contempt for America. When he sees his popularity waning, and the press no longer slobbering over his every word, his contempt for his country will show through. And it’s not going to be pretty.
Excuse me, but I’ll echo York’s comments, namely, you guys did this to Bush for 8 years, so stop whining when the shoe is on the other foot. Dems did their best to undermine Bush and divide America; let’s not forget Harry Reid’s comments that “The war [in Iraq] is lost”, Howard Dean’s bashing of Republicans (I think he called them “evil” or something to that effect), left wing talk radio, the NY Times howling about Abu Ghraib for months on end, Obama blaming everything on Bush, endless yammering about Gitmo and “Torture”, and so on, etc., etc., etc. Now you’re bleating that the GOP isn’t rolling over and licking Obama’s boots, and has the temerity to act like an actual opposition Party and criticize the Dems when such criticism is warranted.
I don’t know if I’d go quite that far, but I agree 100% that the Dear Leader is a classic narcissist, in love with the sound of his own voice (especially if there’s a TelePropmtR nearby) and absolutely intent on pushing the most radical Big Government agenda since FDR.
That’s exactly the kind of partisan sniping you get mad about when we do it to Obama and the Dems. If you’re going to say “Why can’t we all just get along?” when it comes to politics, then you might want to extend our side the same courtesy.
Most of those are just differences of opinion. We won in Iraq, the economy generally was booming under Bush’s two terms, and many of us think that freedom and limited government are worth more than Global Warming hysteria and scares over health care.
Not everyone agrees, indeed, Obama’s plummeting poll numbers suggest that Americans are increasingly becoming disenchanted with “Hope & Change”, his continued blaming of all his problems on Bush, and the left wing direction he wants to take the country. Bush is likely to follow in Harry Truman’s footsteps – a man who had low poll numbers near the end of his presidency, but who, in time, will be vindicated by history.
Perry Chides Me For Being a Meany To The Left:
Nothing, nothing, nothing the Dems do is worth a damn, according to your responses.
But obviously, he forgot these where I did praise the Left for positive actions, and a very non-partisan good-bye to Teddy K. You can only call them as you see them Perry. And thanks for the comment on the photos.
Hats Off To Obama For Realizing America’s Positive Role in the World
13 December 2009, 10:31 pm by Yorkshire
http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/?p=8248
Senator Ted Kennedy Dead at 77
http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/?p=6919
BO To The Rescue
http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/?p=5518
#108 in 24 hours. Probably a record for CSPT.
Holy crap guys, this thing is long. Okay, it’s 12;09 AM. i just spent about 10 hours with June and Manni. Yes , she is noy Afganistani, she is Pakistani (June got it wrong, say it aint so). donviti, a lovely Christian woman. She agrees with me. Sorry. manni thinks Moslems are a threat. She is Christin so you probibly disargee. By the way my wife infored me we are going to Korea. It is what it is, gentlemen.
Last I heard, the GOP hard right in opposition to ObamaCare was 58 percent of the voters. Everybody but the GOP hard right amounted to 39 percent in support. But, of course, that’s old news. It came out on 30DEC09. So I guess Perry is correct. Only the GOP hard right is opposed.
And that economy thing? 59 percent of the voters believe more government spending will hurt the economy. Again, that’s obviously only the GOP hard right.
Then there’s that glowball warming thing. That’s only questioned by the GOP hard right, too, to the tune of 50 percent of the voters. As a matter of fact, the last time the accepters had a plurality in the polling was in June. And there were months immediately prior to June where the accepters did not have a plurality.
Perry’s correct, only the GOP hard right, which is apparently the majority of voters, disagree with him and his fellow Liberals. Can’t deny the cited facts.
I hope you all have a happy New Year. I’ve got 580 covers tonight in two seatings so I’m outtahere. I’ve got to wear a penguin suit tonight while I work. Oy! I look like a big beautiful tough guy in a Tux.
One correction for donviti: The lady’s name is Ranni, not Manni. My DRD kicked in sorry. She told me her name means “Princess” in Pakistani.
It’s gonna be a long and brutal night for me. See ya next year.
Oh, and for Perry. I have 26 employees working tonight (plus myself as Host/Wine Seward) all of whom recieve time and a half for Holiday pay, plus tips. The “Irish Rovers” is the band and Mumm’s Cordon Rouge is on me. This should be the highest grossing New Year I’ve done, topping out at around $43,000 for the night (plus bar sales which should add another 10 grand). We spent $2700 on decorations and party parafanalia alone. I even hired a valet service to park the guests cars and have Buxmont Taxi on notice for “emergency service” to aide those who may over-imbibe. Actually the guy who owns Buxmont is my neighbor so we work together. The lovely and exotic June (my wife) will be overseeing the bar. We have six friends who are attending so we also will be partying a bit. Tomorrow, we have a New Year Brunch service and it looks to be around 85 reservations @ $15.95 each. Then on Sunday we hold a free brunch for the local Catholic church and they expect between 60 and 100 to attend. Monday we will be closed to recuperate. I wish all you guys a very Happy New Year. And remember, we are all Americans so there is NOTHING we can’t do.
Yorkshire’s correction: “But obviously, he forgot these where I did praise the Left for positive actions, and a very non-partisan good-bye to Teddy K. “
I stand corrected, Yorkshire!
John H and Rasmussen get together: “Perry’s correct, only the GOP hard right, which is apparently the majority of voters, disagree with him and his fellow Liberals. Can’t deny the cited facts.”
True, I can’t deny the Rasmussen poll numbers, but I can deny your analysis.
This healthcare reform initiative, long overdue, is very complicated and difficult to understand. For this reason, it is vulnerable to the unprincipled attacks by the ‘hard right’, with all their lies (death panels; exaggerated costs; Medicare benefits’ loss for seniors; ….), therefore it is not the least bit surprising that so many people would be opposed.
In contrast, it is noteworthy that a 61% majority of Americans now think that a health reform bill will be passed, so they have apparently decided that the hard right campaign will not prevail.
It remains a fact that the wealthiest nation on earth has the worst health care for the people compared to ALL other developed nations. That we have a 30% portion, the hard right, throwing every lie they can think of at this reform effort, while not responding to the extended hand of their opposition majority, will be a campaign issue for 2010 and 2012 against these naysayers, of that you can be sure!
JohnC is set for the New Year:“Oh, and for Perry. I have 26 employees working tonight (plus myself as Host/Wine Seward) all of whom recieve time and a half for Holiday pay, plus tips.”
Good for you, John! If I lived in your vicinity, my wife and I may well be signed up for your celebration. Sounds terrific, and to your credit as an astute small businessman! Your price for the New Year’s Day brunch sounds reasonable, and your donated brunch for the local Catholic Church folks is laudable. I’m very impressed.
My ‘baby’ brother lives in Willow Grove; if I knew your business, I’d recommend he try your place. He may have already, as he has lived in the same house on Fitzwatertown Road for a good 35 years, is a small business owner, and is active in local sports with his two sons growing up, continuing now that they are grown, as a baseball umpire and basketball referee. And, his politics are similar to yours; you might even know him.
Anyway, my best to you and yours for a better New Year, and to all on here as well.
And that’s just one of the big problems with the bill. If it’s very complicated and next to impossible to understand, why should anyone support it?
But our criticisms aren’t “Unprincipled, nor are they lies. The plan does claim to cut Medicare by $500 billion, so yes there will be rationing (a form of “Death panels”) and the costs will go up, that’s not exaggeration but merely a rational observation based on the history of government programs.
Your real beef is that the GOP actually takes its role as the opposition Party seriously, and won’t just rubber stamp Obama & the Dems’ agenda the way you would like.
But, Eric, Perry is making progress. Before, he called Conservatives the radical fringe. Now he’s calling the GOP hard right 30 percent of the voting base. That, in combination with the GOP moderates and the independent moderates (all whom are fleeing ObamaNation), makes him admittedly (albeit accidentally admittedly) in the minority. Again, it’s progress. Perry is starting to show signs of admitting the truth.
Perry, my restaurant is not in Willow Grove it is in Cheltenham. I cannot in good faith put the name here as I don’t think Dana Pico wants his site to be an advertizing place for any person to use.
I can tell you I live around the bend from your little brother. I live off Terwood, which is Fitzwatertown Rd. after Davisville heading east. The screwy road changes names. Next time you are visiting your brother, let me know. We’ll have a little Louis XIII and you can meet June. You can see I’m not an animal, I’m a human being. (joking).