JHTRazor registered his discontent on the Let’s Make A Deal thread, but he inadvertently stumbled on to something. BO promised us transparency in the dealing of Government. In the last week of this The Price Is Right and Let’s Make A Deal has shown us more transparency than we thought we would get. No, the language that changed every hour in the Senate Bill was not disclosed, but the transparency of the closed room, double dealing, pitting one state against another, the disregard for the taxpayer/voter just to get a vote to pass this abomination has shown us the true reason Congress has a rating in the low 20′s and will go lower. This transparency said to me, you don’t count, and neither do the other 300,000,000 citizens of this country. The Dems in the Senate have said the transparency is the For Sale Sign is Out, and we’ll get ours and screw you!
Senate Transparency?
Posted by Yorkshire on 21 December 2009, 10:42 pm
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boy does is show the sausage making process doesn’t it? I for one am glad the light is shining on these SOB’s. I liked in Sicko where Moore put a sign over the Senators head that had a $$$ amount from the Health Lobbyists. That should apply on CSpan too
donviti:
boy does is show the sausage making process doesn’t it? I for one am glad the light is shining on these SOB’s. I liked in Sicko where Moore put a sign over the Senators head that had a $$$ amount from the Health Lobbyists. That should apply on CSpan too
Thanks for mentioning the sausage. I was going to, but didn’t fit in. I was trying get this out and go to bed.
Since Democrats are working to destroy the dollar, a Hammer and Sickle would be the most appropriate symbol to indicate the loyalties of the Democrat Party Fat Cats and crooked Chicago pork butchers who’re forcing this healthcare Obamanation on an American public which clearly doesn’t want any part of it.
This is an example of how Democrat Party totalitarianism operates, not American representative democracy.
What he told us he would do:
Create a searchable, online database of lobbying reports, ethics records and campaign finance filings, as well as one for federal contractors’ lobby activities
Push to open all legislative activities — including mark ups and conference committees — to the public
Make information about corporate tax breaks publicly available online
Give the public five days to review and comment online on any non-emergency bill before it’s signed
Disclose the names of lawmakers requesting earmarks and request written justification for the request before approval by the Senate
Require Cabinet secretaries to hold broadband town hall meetings
Conduct significant federal agency business in public
Ensure the timely release of presidential records
Promises, promises….heh.
(emph. added)
Dana equivocates:“… but the transparency of the closed room, double dealing, pitting one state against another, the disregard for the taxpayer/voter just to get a vote to pass ….”
Ropelight equivocates too:“This is an example of how Democrat Party totalitarianism operates, not American representative democracy.”
As if the Repubs, when in the majority, behave in a transparent manner. They don’t, we all know that!
With regard to Obama, a legitimate question to ask is how transparent is transparent enough? Moreover, another question, how much control does Obama have over the machinations that go on in the Senate?
It is a tradition of both parties that their caucuses meet and operate behind close doors, so enough of this hypocritical partisan sniping here.
But the problem is much worse: the filibuster! This session the Republicans have broken their own record of 61 filibusters in a two year session, set when they were the minority party in the Senate in 2001-2002. Now they have 62 this session, and the session is just half over! Does the overuse of this tactic speak well for a representative democratic republic? Obviously, the answer is NO!
Now be honest Republicans, the Senate majority received a mandate for the Dems by winning the last election, electing a sizable majority. When faced with repeated filibuster threats, how is a majority party to carry out their mandate? I look forward to your answer, Dana!
In addition, since no Repubs will vote with them on the HCR Bill, the Dems with 58 plus two Independents, have to satisfy every single member of their caucus, plus the 2 Independents, in order to overcome the filibuster threat on this bill and any given piece of legislation. This places the power in the hands of a few Dems, like Baucus, like Nelson, and even Independent Lieberman, who hold the Dem caucus hostage with their outrageous demands.
Thus the basic problem is the filibuster threat that forces these current outrages by the Dems in the Senate. Like you, I don’t like it one bit! But, both parties share the blame for permitting this ridiculous and outrageous filibuster situation to exist in the Senate.
So now you Repubs sit on the sidelines and excoriate the Senate Dems, and don’t say one word about the filibuster condition that produces the problem to begin with, which no one other than the Repubs have caused in this current Senate session, by using the filibuster threat in record numbers.
Neglecting this cause, Dana and ropelight, is being either ignorant or patently dishonest on your part. Your turn!
Well, like it or not, the filibuster is a legitimate Senate tactic, one that’s been around a long time. And, as I mentioned on another thread to Jeromy, the Dems weren’t exactly shy about using the filibuster to block Bush’s judicial appointments. It drove the Repubs crazy, but there was nothing they could do about it. Now the shoe’s on the other foot, so you’re not really in a position to complain.
Perry writes:
Those are not equivocations, Perry. You need to take that course in basic logic that you never had.
It’s also interesting to see how your mind works. In essence, you are claiming that the Republicans are responsible for Democrat totalitarianism, because they would not cooperate in the destruction of American liberty, and the subversion of American principles, and the bondage of healthy America, in return for a promised mess of pottage.
Heads up for Perry: It’s not the Republicans who have driven Democrats crazy. An apparently inherent lust for a totalizing regime of politically centralized human management and direction, is precisely what defines the class of persons who make up what we call the “left”.
So, Perry, isn’t it time for you to just openly come out and state that you believe that individuals are the property of the “community”, and that this no-exit system of dealing with the uncertainties of human existence and the natural inequalities between individuals, just feels reassuring and satisfying to you?
Come on … you have already said as much with your silly insurance analogies. Why not boldy go the rest of the way, and make your antagonism to freedom and self-direction completely plain?
This way we can sort out the men from the goats with no ambiguity.
“the Senate majority received a mandate for the Dems by winning the last election, electing a sizable majority.”
Yes they did. And along with a solid majority in the House and a Dem in the White House they fully control all levels of government with no way to stop or even slow them down. It didn’t take them long to realize that they can “fundimentally change America”. Basically there is no way to stop any A-hole law they want to pass. We are a de facto one party dictatorship. And since the Contitution has been trashed over the last 60 years they need not even pass the Constitutional muster which used to stop bad laws from being passed. If I were the Dems I’d just pass a law stating all elections are for life. As Perry pointed out those 40 Repub senators should just roll over, stop representing their constituants and get on the band wagon. And as for those 45 million or so Americans that did not vote for HopeyChange, well they can just shut up and go to hell. As Obambi stated: “We won”, i.e. everyone else be dammed. When our country trashed the Constitution we changed from a nation of laws, a republic, to a nation of majority rules, a democracy which is tanamount to a dictatorship of the majority. The future looks bright for the Dem party until they realize those 45 million voters who didn’t vote for them are the actual producers and tax payers of this country and many of us are about to shrug. When we say bye-bye all those government workers, movie stars and other assorted blood suckers will have to rely on themselves to fund their mandates. That should be interesting to watch.
Eric, the Dems used the filibuster to block some of Bush’s judicial appointments. And btw, you did get Roberts and Alito. The Dems also approved more Federal judges than the Repubs had done in the previous session. Most importantly, as I wrote, the Senate Repubs have attempted to block by filibuster virtually every piece of legislation, so yes, I have plenty to complain about. Did you read my link? Probably not!
JohnC:“And along with a solid majority in the House and a Dem in the White House they fully control all levels of government with no way to stop or even slow them down.“
John, you are completely wrong here! Did you read what I wrote about the Repub use of the filibuster? Did you read my link?
Moreover, a mandate is a mandate. Bush and the Repubs used theirs, but this time the Dems won the election, thus, a mandate. If you don’t like it, elect your people to office. That’s the American way, or at least, supposed to be, unless you are a Republican!
John C would fall under the sore loser category if there ever was such a thing. Boy you sure don’t get the fact that one side loses so the other side has to suck it do you?
All that aside you are a dope for spewing the nonsense you are anyway. As if the give aways the past 8 years didn’t destroy the dollar.
You see, when you spew partisan BS you make yourself look even dumber.
You Got Your’s, Now I Want Mine:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/22/nelson-says-senators-seeking-special-treatment-light-nebraska-deal/
Maybe all these midnight Let’s Make a Deal and The Price is Right will backfire with those who just gave away their vote for nothing. Who’s that SCREAMING, aw, it’s just them taxpayers. If they can pay taxes, they must be rich.
Exactly. And we didn’t like it then. Yes, we got Alito and Roberts, but there was plenty of Dem obstructionism on both, especially Alito. And of course you got Sotomayer, so again you can’t really complain there.
Like it or not, the filibuster is, like I said, a legitimate Senate tactic, one that goes back many years. We don’t live in a pure democracy, which is a good thing, and the filibuster is just one way to keep a majority from running roughshod over the minority.
Perry would be in here if the opposite situation was extant and declare “thank God” for the filibuster for [insert reason]. Probably he’d cite the current opinion polls which clearly show that the public HATES this bill.
Perry’s “but the GOP has used it more!” etc. bullshit carries NO WEIGHT. This is the way the Senate is set up; it was fine when the GOP held the majority, it is fine now. No matter WHAT majority the Democrats have now.
Ask yourself: If this bill is so damn great, why is it so difficult to get a filibuster-proof majority vote? Why did several senators have to get BRIBED to get their votes?
Perry and donviti, do you guys read what you write? “A mandate is a mandate” and “you would fall under the sore looser category” or “Boy you sure don’t get the fact that one side loses so the other side has to suck it do you?”
What the hell am I, the enemy? What are the millions of Americans who voted the other way, just garbage? You speak as though you won a dictatorship in an election. A madate gives you the right to force through unconstituional laws? To trample the rights of those who disagree with you? To force people to buy cars for others? Pay other peoples mortgages? Buy corporations and bail out others? To force “the loosers” to by a product, health insurance, for themselves and others? Are we living in 1939 Germany? One party rule and everyone else be damned? I and the millions like me are not the enemy. We are your political opponents and we would like you to slow down and consider options before turning huge chunks of our economy, freedom and national sovereignty over to the government. That’s what real Americans do, they try to fix it themselves before turning to government. That is the last resort. Not the first. I’m stunned that there are so many citizens like yourselves who think you have the right to tell everyone what to do, how much they can earn, how much of that they can keep and whom they have to support and now even take private property from law abiding citizens. Because you have a mandate? You can take your mandates and stick them where the sun don’t shine. I’m a free American and I will remain so even if I have to close my business, sell my property and move to another country.
I’ve already cancelled one project I planned for 2010. Now I’m not some big businessmsn like GM or AIG, but this was to be a pilot store for a franchaise. Most likely it would have only employed 20-25 people per unit but it was something. But having these crazy leftists in charge of the economy and taxes has soured me on the risk. You know guys, I can build a business or even duplicate this idea in another country. My feet ain’t nailed to Willow Grove, PA. And where I go so goes my money, businesses, taxes and jobs. I already have my restaurant and the building up for sale. Hopefully, a good buyer will keep my meazely 64 employees. At least that’s what I’m shooting for. But if your attitude is any indication of the hostility I have to look forward to with these guys in charge under their “mandate”, I’ll sell to whomever and I’m out-a-here.
Yes, unfortunately that is what they do think: that politics is sublimated violence and a winner take all game; where anything and everything can be wagered without limit, and where there are no recognized boundaries to the claims that they think may be “legitimately” leveled against you in the name of “society”.
Thinking of “Going Galt”, eh John?
Well, like it or not, the filibuster is a legitimate Senate tactic, one that’s been around a long time. And, as I mentioned on another thread to Jeromy, the Dems weren’t exactly shy about using the filibuster to block Bush’s judicial appointments.
Uh-huh. However, the Republicans are the main offenders.
I’ve already canceled one project I planned for 2010. Now I’m not some big businessmsn like GM or AIG, but this was to be a pilot store for a franchaise. Most likely it would have only employed 20-25 people per unit but it was something. But having these crazy leftists in charge of the economy and taxes has soured me on the risk.
Yes, but you’re an idiot, John, as we all know. The American economy tends to do better under Democrats than under Republicans.
Of course I’m an idiot Pho. I don’t fall down in agreement with every word of wisdom that falls from your lips. But just in case you can’t read English, I said: “But having these crazy leftists in charge of the economy and taxes has soured me on the risk.” The operative word being “leftists” not Democrats. Unfortunately, the honerable Democratic Party has become home to leftists of all stripes and persuasions. Regardless of who was in power, traditionally we in America knew we all were playing by the same rules. With an administration stuffed to the brim with czars and advisors who are tax cheats, communists, statists, socialists, and ACORN supporters and who believe in “carve outs” for friends and supporters we are all not on the same playing field. Some animals are “more equal” than others.
Right, Phoenician. Now Repubs and Conservatives, what do you say to that chart?
Now listen to all the whining by the Repubs on here, forgetting how we got into this mess to begin with.
It’s amazing (no, not really), when the Repubs lose an election they squeal like stuffed pigs. Elections count! Nobody likes to lose, but when you do, take it like a man/woman, and come up with your next campaign for change.
A mandate is not a dictatorship unless the Dems won and the Repubs lost. Nah, a mandate results when an election result happens, for whomever the winner happens to be.
Bush claimed his mandate, remember?
Under Bush, the Repubs messed up, and got their just rewards in both the 2006 and 2008 elections. Let us see what happens in 2010 and 2012. I would think that the party of GWB, the party of ‘NO’ now, will have to somehow demonstrate that they can govern. So far in this session, I don’t see it. If you Repubs do, let’s hear about it.
I think you will be running on everything you think Obama and the Dems did wrong. We’ll see if the voters buy that approach. Or, if you run on returning us to the Bush policies, do you think that will be a winner for you? Tell me about your 2010 campaign.
JohnC, Obama’s and the Dems’ next priority is going to be a focus on small business re loans, tax breaks, and the like. Reduced health insurance costs for small businesses probably will be in the final HCR bill. Here, read what Obama says about assisting small businesses.
I suspect that the real reason you are concerned, though you did not state it, is the prospects for improvement in the economy. I share that concern, but am willing to wait to see how this next year rolls out. Not that I am planning to run like you are, but I am interested in the picture for investments.
Let us not forget that it is principally Bush and the Repubs that put us, and the globe, into this hole. Do you think the voters will decide to hand the baton back to you?
Perry, after almost 40 years in business I’ve been through every cycle imaginable. Inflation, recession, stagflation, booms, busts, bubbles, you name it. One thing remains true: This too shall pass.
But through it all whith the exception of that idiot Nixon and his wage/price controls and Carter with his “circle the wagons” mentality, the government basically allowed the cycle to run its course. When recession hits it usually does so as a shake out of weak or poorly run or outmoded businesses. When our government as it’s doing currently, decides to save these entities it only postpones their enevitable collapse. Which means to me perhaps next year or 2011 or 2012 these businesses will be crubeling again.
I’m not trying to get all philosophical on you but there is a ntural cycle to everything. Nations rise and fall, the earth warms and cools, people are born and die, businesses are started and fail. Look at Circuit City or Bennigan’s or Burger Chef. Trying to stop business failure by government intrusion is like trying to stop an ocean wave with your hand, ain’t happenin’. You either take your lumps now or you’ll get them latter. But you will get them. A businessmans response to bail-outs and the like is: you are throwing good money after bad.
By the way that link was interesting. Did you read any of the comments? Check them out.
Sorry for the typo’s, I’m watching “Inglorious Bastards” while typing. The bad spelling is all me though.
You forget that the economy was good under Bush with the exception of his first and last year in office, and you can blame the first on a combination of the tech bubble that burst under Clinton and the aftereffects of the 9/11 attacks. The DOW was at 14,000 and unemployment half what it is today. The economy went in the toilet for more bipartisan reasons than you will admit, especially the Dems’ (read Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) efforts to get risky loans approved which led to the housing bubble and foreclosure crisis.
Again, not quite. The Dems ran a lot of Blue Dogs and won, meaning the country was still voting for what they thought was conservatism.
With all due respect, I wouldn’t count on Obama to successfully run a hot dog stand. What executive experience has he ever had? And even in the Senate his record didn’t amount to much, he won mainly on the ability to give good speeches and because his primary opponent was Hillary Clinton (who nonetheless gave him a real run for the money).
Yes Eric, I am seriously thinking of Going Gault. I’m tired of being treated as if I have a target on my back and “Sucker” tattoo’d on my forehead.
Right now I’m looking at increased payroll and corporate taxes, energy taxes, health care mandates, perhaps Card-Check, increased regulations on everything from energy to minority hireing. Hell, even zoning hs become a huge nightmare and you can’t even be secure in your property if some “big guy” comes by and wants to turn it into a shopping center. You know, even baby seals try to flee when their being clubbed. And although I’m a well known idiot (to Pho) I’m still smarter than a baby seal.
Hube:
Perry would be in here if the opposite situation was extant and declare “thank God” for the filibuster for [insert reason]. Probably he’d cite the current opinion polls which clearly show that the public HATES this bill.
Perry’s “but the GOP has used it more!” etc. bullshit carries NO WEIGHT. This is the way the Senate is set up; it was fine when the GOP held the majority, it is fine now. No matter WHAT majority the Democrats have now.
Ask yourself: If this bill is so damn great, why is it so difficult to get a filibuster-proof majority vote? Why did several senators have to get BRIBED to get their votes?
I asked the Libs to name the 100 greatest things about healthcare. The request was declined. (probably cause they can’t answer three items.
Yes Eric, I am seriously thinking of Going Gault. [...] And although I’m a well known idiot (to Pho) I’m still smarter than a baby seal.
I bet I could train a baby seal to spell “Galt” correctly…
JohnC, besides spelling “Galt”, you better look at taxes, fees, zoning, …, before moving on.
It’s funny when I make fun of my DRD (dyslexia), but not when you do. I used to miss entire words, you would have loved that. Then you could really call me a stupid idiot.
Moving on. Perry, I do consider these things and a hundred othres befor I attempt a new project. I’ll make a list in order of importance then attach an estimated cost to each item. You really have no idea how many variables can affect a start-up. You need to take it real slow at first, then if you decide it’s a “go” you need to move like hell cause the meter is running.
Just so you know, I usually miss M’s and N’s and scramble D’s and B’s. I also tend to double up letters.
hube:
Ask yourself: If this bill is so damn great, why is it so difficult to get a filibuster-proof majority vote? Why did several senators have to get BRIBED to get their votes?
Uh, well for one because as much as you want to beat the newsbusters drum that congress is full of liberals, it really isn’t. They ALL are out there for the money and to get re-elected. Just like the R’s are. So, when you go back to your hate crime denying blog and try to link away to newsbusters story after story that socialism and communism and marxism are on the horizon this bill proves that there ain’t no such fucking thing close to it going on.
Just a bunch of rich almighty whities lining their pockets while turds like you point fingers at the other side and cry the end of the constitution and that socialism is here.
Too bad you couldn’t teach yourself to spell “habeas”.
Would an episode of outright social violence make you feel any better?
Wow, DNW, twelve hours and no further comments from the left. Could it be they are wussies? I think so.
“Rich almighty whities”? That sounds very close to a hate crime in the form of a racial slur.