President Bush and the Republicans spent way, way, way too much money, but when it comes to spending, they were bush leaguers — pun intended — compared to President Obama and the Democrats.
I guess it never occurred to Mr Matthews that the Cadets were paying pretty close attention, because it was their lives the President was talking about. They are the ones who will go into harm’s way. They volunteered to put their lives on the line for this great country — but I doubt that many of them want to think of their lives just being wasted.
Dana, I plain don’t understand how a sensible person like yourself could reference, by virtue of your last post in this thread, a person/site who would write garbage like this, and moreover, give a h/t to you!
“Obama has made many foul statements regarding the US military and many foul demands of the military. Along with his “victory is not an option” speeches and his catering to the enemy and offending the ally world-wide apology tour, is there any wonder our military has zero respect for their Commander in Chief? Right now, they are saluting the rank and not the person. And even the wacked-out leftist PMSNBC saw that during Obama’s most recent photo-op campaign speech. But of course, they labeled the military as “the enemy” instead of focusing in on the real problem, which is ObamaNation and the various factions of complicity (MSM, ACORN, SEIU, Democrats in Congress).”
Dana, there is not one true statement in that paragraph, which instead is full of lies, innuendo, anger and hatred, the outpouring of a troubled soul indeed.
We need to be constantly striving to use good and fair judgment after having reviewed the facts, which you did in reproducing in full the text of Obama’s important speech last night. Then reasonable people can draw their own conclusions, and debate those points which they deem to be important. That’s simply good blogging, in my view; but on your blog, you are the decider, I understand that.
Chris Matthews is only giving voice to opinions widely shared among many of Obama’s supporters. The more strident ones are willing to say so in public, knowing our traditional American support for open discussion protects their rights to attack even those who are pledged to protect those same rights with their lives.
Obama’s more cowardly supporters, ones who hold the same or similar views, don’t directly insult our armed forces in public. They know it doesn’t play well in Peoria. They take more circuitous paths, but ones which lead to the same destination.
Both the overt and the covert adherents of the same malignant ideology are the real enemies of our country, they seek to undermine our ability to defend ourselves, and they use the most underhanded methods available to them: treachery and propaganda in this case.
They attempt to turn reality upside down, to label as “the enemy” our young men and women in training to become military leaders of the future. America’s long grey line, our professional corps of national protectors, deserves our respect, and they deserve public expressions of thanks from a grateful nation, not the abuse of political hacks, phony newsmen, and foolish commenters.
What we are dealing with here is something rather similar to biting the hand that feeds you. It’s among the the preferred methods of hollow men, ingrates, and nincompoops.
Poor Chris, he saw BO and didn’t get a tingle up his leg this time. West Point Cadets, hmmm, the enemy Chris??? This reminds me of my High School senior year in 1967. What awaited a healthy graduate at the end of HS that year was get into a college for a 2-S deferment, hope for a reason to be 4-F, or else you were 1-A, Draft Bait. What the cadets heard was this:
This review is now complete. And as Commander-in-Chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home. These are the resources that we need to seize the initiative, while building the Afghan capacity that can allow for a responsible transition of our forces out of Afghanistan.
and it did not say here’s the plan for victory, but here’s the plan to fail. And for the class of 2010, they would be sent to fail.
Perry, do explain how each statement you quoted is untrue and give sources for your knowledge. And thank you for yet again trying to censor me, albeit in an underhanded way.
By the standard definition, Obama’s commitment to victory is AWOL. Absent that, what’s the reason for continuing, seeing more C-5s offloading caskets in Dover during the next 18 months, when he’s planning to ‘weasel out’ in an attempt to salvage his political hide?
Maybe thoughts like this were what was preoccupying some of the minds in his West Point audience. Gee Chris, wonder why they weren’t just bubbling over with joy? “…enemy camp…” was in all likelihood a very honest description of Chris’s true feelings, hopefully not shared by the Commander-in-Chief.
Dammit! Where’s George C. Scott when you need him?
Was it fair to say the US military isn’t in love with Obama? Yes. I think that is a correct statement. Certainly what Obama said means our military will be laying down their lives for a fickle politician. Did Chris Matthews make a judgement on it? No… I think he correctly described the situation.
The more I think about Chris Matthews and his labeling of West Point as the “enemy camp.” It occurs to me that Matthews was expressing his own deeply psychological projection. He knows where the enemy camp is and their troop strength. It’s the establishment media which is actually the “enemy camp.” ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, Public Radio, are the enemies of America, and they’ve proved it time and again.
Speaking of the enemas camp, Jon Stewart scopped the MSM on Climate Gate. Apparently the subject is radioactive to the big TV News outlets, except for FOX and Jon Stewart.
“Was it fair to say the US military isn’t in love with Obama? Yes. I think that is a correct statement. Certainly what Obama said means our military will be laying down their lives for a fickle politician. Did Chris Matthews make a judgement on it? No… I think he correctly described the situation.”
By interpreting Matthews’ characterization of the speech’s venue as ironic, given the supposition of a serious emotional and political estrangement between Obama and the military, the statement could as you suggest, be viewed as a merely more or less objective assessment of a certain political dynamic.
However, if one closely listens further – and it wasn’t easy yesterday because of a gappy sound track – what you later hear is Matthews’ own value judgment being delivered on just who it is that inhabits that venue (West Point): i.e., a “rabble” to be roused by the likes of Paul Wolfowitz as he supposedly shilled for his “we’re gonna democratize the world campaign” policies before a susceptible audience. They are thus characterized as a likely intellectual or political rabble ready to be roused by conservatives peddling the idea of political freedom and democracy.
Make no mistake about it: leftists do view the productive and self-directed, and those committed to personal and economic freedom, as the social enemy. An enemy to perhaps be eliminated or subjugated and managed out of existence through the agency of coercive politics rather than overt violence, if possible; but an enemy they are dedicated to seeing destroyed nonetheless.
Why conservatives so often react with apparent surprise and outrage at these revelations, when they are repeatedly confronted by the same evidence, is something of a mystery to me.
I personally think that conservatives have a strong predisposition toward conceiving of leftists as fallen away and out of fellowship normal people, rather than as an essentially different psychological kind. It’s a generous habit that is probably difficult to break; as well as one that if broken entails the facing of some very unpleasant and possibly emotionally brutal social consequences and choices.
The Mrs. Hotviti basically asked about Chris Matthews and I tried to sum him up and I just can’t. The guy is all over the place love him or hate him. I was watching live when he said that and I have no idea what the F he was talking about. It seemed like a Bush camp reference.
Matthews worked under the Carter Admin yes, but these types of comments are just so strange.
when he is on he is on, but in the end, he is another talking head that is an inside the beltway schmuck.
It seems to me as though there is an underlying assumption that the military really don’t like their commander-in-chief. I’m not certain that I agree with that assumption at all. First of all, Mr Obama got a lot of votes from servicemen: there are a lot of blacks in the armed forces, and Mr Obama got something like 103% of the black vote. There are a lot of Hispanics and women in the armed forces, and overall, Mr Obama won a majority of the votes from women and Hispanics. Overall, Mr Obama won about 44% of the votes of veterans. That’s hardly something likely from a group which some people seem to think uniformly dislikes the man.
The audience at West Point was certainly not a wildly-cheering campaign stop crowd. Not only did they not demonstrate such demeanor, the very nature of their school and their service pushes against such behavior.
And the President was telling them thst some of them were going to be sent to die for their country; that would sober any group.
Actually, Mr Viti, President Obama has, thus far, kept his promises on Afghanistan. He said that we weren’t going to just pull out, and that he supported our war there during the campaign. He opposed the war in Iraq, but not Afghanistan.
It doesn’t matter who is in charge, the next guy is always better.
I take it that you were in the Navy while Bill Clinton was commander-in-chief, right?
York, don’t count on Comcast. The following is from Breitbart’s BigGovernment:
“A day, one single day, after the two media giants announced their deal, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts proudly weighed in to strongly support the Senate Democrats’ health care reform bill.
Now Comcast is a big company, with about 100,000 employees. I’m sure health care costs have a big impact on their bottom line. But the bottom line impact on Roberts’ personal net worth will be much greater if the federal government, with a big say-so from the US Senate, approves the $13 billion deal.
So Roberts’ heartfelt letter to the president in support of the Democrats’ singular policy issue was the first action he took in what is expected to be a twelve-month regulatory review process. This is an action with absolutely no relevance to the vast intricacies of the merger, but a move that sets a new standard for blatant pandering aimed at a group of people for whom pandering is the new coin of the realm.”
ropelight:
York, don’t count on Comcast. The following is from Breitbart’s BigGovernment:
“A day, one single day, after the two media giants announced their deal, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts proudly weighed in to strongly support the Senate Democrats’ health care reform bill.
I was severely disappointed this afternoon when I read the head of Comcast supports Obamacare.
If you support Obamacare you should sign up and pay the premiums/taxes and take the coverage. If you do not support it you should not sign up and not pay the premiums/taxes and not be covered. Why is that so hard? Why do those who like Obamacare need to force everyone else to have it and pay for it? Except of course, the carve-outs for government employees and unions. Those guys are special and won’t pay for or be covered by Obamacare.
I also think if you like Comcast you should pay for and recieve Comcast. But if you like Verizon you should not have to pay for someone else’s Comcast nor should you be forced to buy Comcast. I thought this shit was just basic American civics. Where the hell do “force” and “mandate” enter into our personal choices?
John, the idea of a mandate in health insurance is to spread the risk thus lower the premiums, similar to the auto insurance mandate situation.
Regarding Comcast, the only folks who are forced to buy their service are those who live in areas where Comcast is the only choice. This is not comparable to health or auto insurance, like apples and oranges.
The auto insurance mandate has nothing to do with spreading risk or reducing premiums. It is there soley to insure OTHER PEOPLE against your actions which could harm them personaly or monetarily. The insurance mandate calls only for liability insurance as a responability of the driver. It does not require you to cover your vehicle with collision or comprehensive coverage. And since it is strictly a liability pool it has little or no effect on premiums. Has your premium gone down since the mandate? Mine has not.
Regarding Comcast. No one is forced to buy Comcast no matter where they live. They can get a dish or better yet, read a book. There is no law (yet) forcing anyone to watch TV.
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I guess it never occurred to Mr Matthews that the Cadets were paying pretty close attention, because it was their lives the President was talking about. They are the ones who will go into harm’s way. They volunteered to put their lives on the line for this great country — but I doubt that many of them want to think of their lives just being wasted.
Guess he didn’t feel a shiver up his leg when he was watching them.
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Dana, I plain don’t understand how a sensible person like yourself could reference, by virtue of your last post in this thread, a person/site who would write garbage like this, and moreover, give a h/t to you!
“Obama has made many foul statements regarding the US military and many foul demands of the military. Along with his “victory is not an option” speeches and his catering to the enemy and offending the ally world-wide apology tour, is there any wonder our military has zero respect for their Commander in Chief? Right now, they are saluting the rank and not the person. And even the wacked-out leftist PMSNBC saw that during Obama’s most recent photo-op campaign speech. But of course, they labeled the military as “the enemy” instead of focusing in on the real problem, which is ObamaNation and the various factions of complicity (MSM, ACORN, SEIU, Democrats in Congress).”
Dana, there is not one true statement in that paragraph, which instead is full of lies, innuendo, anger and hatred, the outpouring of a troubled soul indeed.
We need to be constantly striving to use good and fair judgment after having reviewed the facts, which you did in reproducing in full the text of Obama’s important speech last night. Then reasonable people can draw their own conclusions, and debate those points which they deem to be important. That’s simply good blogging, in my view; but on your blog, you are the decider, I understand that.
Chris Matthews is only giving voice to opinions widely shared among many of Obama’s supporters. The more strident ones are willing to say so in public, knowing our traditional American support for open discussion protects their rights to attack even those who are pledged to protect those same rights with their lives.
Obama’s more cowardly supporters, ones who hold the same or similar views, don’t directly insult our armed forces in public. They know it doesn’t play well in Peoria. They take more circuitous paths, but ones which lead to the same destination.
Both the overt and the covert adherents of the same malignant ideology are the real enemies of our country, they seek to undermine our ability to defend ourselves, and they use the most underhanded methods available to them: treachery and propaganda in this case.
They attempt to turn reality upside down, to label as “the enemy” our young men and women in training to become military leaders of the future. America’s long grey line, our professional corps of national protectors, deserves our respect, and they deserve public expressions of thanks from a grateful nation, not the abuse of political hacks, phony newsmen, and foolish commenters.
What we are dealing with here is something rather similar to biting the hand that feeds you. It’s among the the preferred methods of hollow men, ingrates, and nincompoops.
Poor Chris, he saw BO and didn’t get a tingle up his leg this time. West Point Cadets, hmmm, the enemy Chris??? This reminds me of my High School senior year in 1967. What awaited a healthy graduate at the end of HS that year was get into a college for a 2-S deferment, hope for a reason to be 4-F, or else you were 1-A, Draft Bait. What the cadets heard was this:
This review is now complete. And as Commander-in-Chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home. These are the resources that we need to seize the initiative, while building the Afghan capacity that can allow for a responsible transition of our forces out of Afghanistan.
and it did not say here’s the plan for victory, but here’s the plan to fail. And for the class of 2010, they would be sent to fail.
Perry, do explain how each statement you quoted is untrue and give sources for your knowledge. And thank you for yet again trying to censor me, albeit in an underhanded way.
And, Perry, where are your charges of Mr Pico being hateful when he wrote “The ever-repugnant Chris Matthews”?
Perry, a hat tip is given when a source is referenced; the only thing I used was the video.
By the standard definition, Obama’s commitment to victory is AWOL. Absent that, what’s the reason for continuing, seeing more C-5s offloading caskets in Dover during the next 18 months, when he’s planning to ‘weasel out’ in an attempt to salvage his political hide?
Maybe thoughts like this were what was preoccupying some of the minds in his West Point audience. Gee Chris, wonder why they weren’t just bubbling over with joy? “…enemy camp…” was in all likelihood a very honest description of Chris’s true feelings, hopefully not shared by the Commander-in-Chief.
Dammit! Where’s George C. Scott when you need him?
Was it fair to say the US military isn’t in love with Obama? Yes. I think that is a correct statement. Certainly what Obama said means our military will be laying down their lives for a fickle politician. Did Chris Matthews make a judgement on it? No… I think he correctly described the situation.
The more I think about Chris Matthews and his labeling of West Point as the “enemy camp.” It occurs to me that Matthews was expressing his own deeply psychological projection. He knows where the enemy camp is and their troop strength. It’s the establishment media which is actually the “enemy camp.” ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, Public Radio, are the enemies of America, and they’ve proved it time and again.
Speaking of the enemas camp, Jon Stewart scopped the MSM on Climate Gate. Apparently the subject is radioactive to the big TV News outlets, except for FOX and Jon Stewart.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578990,00.html
By interpreting Matthews’ characterization of the speech’s venue as ironic, given the supposition of a serious emotional and political estrangement between Obama and the military, the statement could as you suggest, be viewed as a merely more or less objective assessment of a certain political dynamic.
However, if one closely listens further – and it wasn’t easy yesterday because of a gappy sound track – what you later hear is Matthews’ own value judgment being delivered on just who it is that inhabits that venue (West Point): i.e., a “rabble” to be roused by the likes of Paul Wolfowitz as he supposedly shilled for his “we’re gonna democratize the world campaign” policies before a susceptible audience. They are thus characterized as a likely intellectual or political rabble ready to be roused by conservatives peddling the idea of political freedom and democracy.
Make no mistake about it: leftists do view the productive and self-directed, and those committed to personal and economic freedom, as the social enemy. An enemy to perhaps be eliminated or subjugated and managed out of existence through the agency of coercive politics rather than overt violence, if possible; but an enemy they are dedicated to seeing destroyed nonetheless.
Why conservatives so often react with apparent surprise and outrage at these revelations, when they are repeatedly confronted by the same evidence, is something of a mystery to me.
I personally think that conservatives have a strong predisposition toward conceiving of leftists as fallen away and out of fellowship normal people, rather than as an essentially different psychological kind. It’s a generous habit that is probably difficult to break; as well as one that if broken entails the facing of some very unpleasant and possibly emotionally brutal social consequences and choices.
The Mrs. Hotviti basically asked about Chris Matthews and I tried to sum him up and I just can’t. The guy is all over the place love him or hate him. I was watching live when he said that and I have no idea what the F he was talking about. It seemed like a Bush camp reference.
Matthews worked under the Carter Admin yes, but these types of comments are just so strange.
when he is on he is on, but in the end, he is another talking head that is an inside the beltway schmuck.
It seems to me as though there is an underlying assumption that the military really don’t like their commander-in-chief. I’m not certain that I agree with that assumption at all. First of all, Mr Obama got a lot of votes from servicemen: there are a lot of blacks in the armed forces, and Mr Obama got something like 103% of the black vote. There are a lot of Hispanics and women in the armed forces, and overall, Mr Obama won a majority of the votes from women and Hispanics. Overall, Mr Obama won about 44% of the votes of veterans. That’s hardly something likely from a group which some people seem to think uniformly dislikes the man.
The audience at West Point was certainly not a wildly-cheering campaign stop crowd. Not only did they not demonstrate such demeanor, the very nature of their school and their service pushes against such behavior.
And the President was telling them thst some of them were going to be sent to die for their country; that would sober any group.
First of all, Mr Obama got a lot of votes from servicemen
The ones that thought they were really going home. Then he backed off that. It doesn’t matter who is in charge, the next guy is always better.
Actually, Mr Viti, President Obama has, thus far, kept his promises on Afghanistan. He said that we weren’t going to just pull out, and that he supported our war there during the campaign. He opposed the war in Iraq, but not Afghanistan.
I take it that you were in the Navy while Bill Clinton was commander-in-chief, right?
Comcast bought NBC, maybe they’ll clean house???
York, don’t count on Comcast. The following is from Breitbart’s BigGovernment:
“A day, one single day, after the two media giants announced their deal, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts proudly weighed in to strongly support the Senate Democrats’ health care reform bill.
Now Comcast is a big company, with about 100,000 employees. I’m sure health care costs have a big impact on their bottom line. But the bottom line impact on Roberts’ personal net worth will be much greater if the federal government, with a big say-so from the US Senate, approves the $13 billion deal.
So Roberts’ heartfelt letter to the president in support of the Democrats’ singular policy issue was the first action he took in what is expected to be a twelve-month regulatory review process. This is an action with absolutely no relevance to the vast intricacies of the merger, but a move that sets a new standard for blatant pandering aimed at a group of people for whom pandering is the new coin of the realm.”
Comcast likes to get it’s way, and isn’t afraid to use its financial muscle to do so. Comcast fought the NFL Network for three years to get its way.
ropelight:
York, don’t count on Comcast. The following is from Breitbart’s BigGovernment:
“A day, one single day, after the two media giants announced their deal, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts proudly weighed in to strongly support the Senate Democrats’ health care reform bill.
I was severely disappointed this afternoon when I read the head of Comcast supports Obamacare.
Oh perish the thought: Yorkshire has found another person who supports ObamaCare!
Perry:
Oh perish the thought: Yorkshire has found another person who supports ObamaCare!
I think we should call the Marines and track that SOB down right now
If you support Obamacare you should sign up and pay the premiums/taxes and take the coverage. If you do not support it you should not sign up and not pay the premiums/taxes and not be covered. Why is that so hard? Why do those who like Obamacare need to force everyone else to have it and pay for it? Except of course, the carve-outs for government employees and unions. Those guys are special and won’t pay for or be covered by Obamacare.
I also think if you like Comcast you should pay for and recieve Comcast. But if you like Verizon you should not have to pay for someone else’s Comcast nor should you be forced to buy Comcast. I thought this shit was just basic American civics. Where the hell do “force” and “mandate” enter into our personal choices?
John, the idea of a mandate in health insurance is to spread the risk thus lower the premiums, similar to the auto insurance mandate situation.
Regarding Comcast, the only folks who are forced to buy their service are those who live in areas where Comcast is the only choice. This is not comparable to health or auto insurance, like apples and oranges.
The auto insurance mandate has nothing to do with spreading risk or reducing premiums. It is there soley to insure OTHER PEOPLE against your actions which could harm them personaly or monetarily. The insurance mandate calls only for liability insurance as a responability of the driver. It does not require you to cover your vehicle with collision or comprehensive coverage. And since it is strictly a liability pool it has little or no effect on premiums. Has your premium gone down since the mandate? Mine has not.
Regarding Comcast. No one is forced to buy Comcast no matter where they live. They can get a dish or better yet, read a book. There is no law (yet) forcing anyone to watch TV.