Where are the adults?

Barbara O’Brien of the Mahablog¹ wrote:

Now, the Occupy Wall Street activists are on the edge of building a movement centered on economic populist issues that polls say most Americans support. And the slogan “we are the 99 percent” could be very effective IF most Americans come to understand it in the context of kitchen-table economic issues.

A broad swatch of Americans feel Washington pays no attention to their problems and caters instead to the rich and Wall Street. Big nationwide marches filled with middle-class, working people could actually get the attention of politicians in Washington. This would be a good thing.

But most of that broad swatch will not join in if they whiff a bunch of leftish issues they are not ready to embrace, and I suspect unmanned drones on foreign soil is one of those issues. And if the “movement” never goes beyond the usual vocational protesters, it’s pissing in the wind.

Hat tip to Donald Douglas.

Miss O’Brien’s complaint is that the far-left fringe groups have been hijacking what she sees as legitimate liberal rallies, and, in doing so, they alienate large numbers of people who might be more sympathetic to the main cause of the rally, because they are so far-left-whacko.

This is exactly the kind of crap that prevents the Left from building any kind of effective movement to accomplish anything. Since several of you don’t seem to understand what I’m complaining about, let’s go back to September 2005.

There were huge antiwar rallies September 24 in Washington and other cities. I went to the Washington DC march around the White House. It was one of the better ones, really big, with people of all ages and ethnicities joining in.

As usual, Code Pink tried to steal the show by holding a separate rally and march a few blocks away. I remember reading that some of them were arrested. In any event, none of the pinksters came anywhere close to the advertised rally and march.

Also meanwhile, as most people marched around the White House, International A.N.S.W.E.R. — one of the sponsors — held its own event on the Ellipse, covered by CSPAN. After the march I got back to my hotel, logged on the Web, and read Steve Gilliard’s review

You know, it’s time for the campus radicals to go home and take ANSWER with them.

I watched an hour or so of the rally and I wanted to smash my screen.

Why can’t they have adults who can speak in words, not slogans.

There’s much more at the link, but even though it was Mr Gilliard who made the specific complaint that these rallies don’t have — but need to have — the adults in charge, Miss O’Brien never added anything to her article which disassociated herself from Mr Gilliard’s characterization; I assume, therefore, that she agrees.

I guess that it isn’t too surprising. While Miss O’Brien’s site biography does not tell us her age, it does state that she earned her Bachelor of Journalism degree from the University of Missouri School of Journalism in 1973. Assuming that she was not a child prodigy, and was not graduated from college at age 16 or something like that, she’d be about sixty years old now. No wonder she has some difficulty in identifying with the Occupy Wall Street protesters, as characterized by the liberal New York Times.

I’ll have to ask Dr Douglas and Stacy McCain if this pic qualifies as Rule 5 Blogging. :)

Miss O’Brien lamented that there wasn’t a middle class face to the Overly Wet Snuggies protests, something to give their grand cause some credibility among American middle class adults. But there’s a very simple problem with that: the vast majority of middle class Americans are working Americans, and they can’t just take off weekdays to go protest in Manhattan. Moreover, though unemployment is certainly a serious problem at its current level of 9.1%, that means that 90.9% of the workforce is employed, and, in not-very-good economic times like today, about the last thing that they want to do is rock the boat; they might be the ones to fall overboard!

The lovely blonde lady to the right in the picture is holding a sign which tells us that “A Job Is A Right.” It is? A job normally entails actually producing something, and if current economic demand is already being met with less than 100% employment, just what job does the young lady — and, I presume, her compatriots — believe she should have? Should we employ people to produce nothing, to meet no economic demand? And if we do so, just where do we get the money . . . and how soon does it run out?

And one of the biggest problems for the Overly Wet Snuggies protesters, the ones who tell us that they want jobs, is that, looking at them, in a time when employers have the luxury of being rather selective in who they do hire and retain, my first thought is: who would want to hire them? I’d be willing to bet a case of Mountain Dew that a lot of the middle class Americans watching the OWS protests on the evening news have that same thought occur to them; Miss O’Brien might even be one of them.

There is a significant amount of talk linking the OWS protests to the TEA Party rallies of last year, but I think that’s kind of strained. The TEA Partiers were generally older and more responsible, and they sure cleaned up after themselves a lot better. More importantly, they translated their protests during the summer into votes in the fall. I have some real doubts that the OWSers will be able to do that.
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¹ – I have been banned on the Mahablog, and Miss O’Brien, after commenting here and my banning on her site was pointed out to her, wrote, “Sorry, I block lots of people. Didn’t realize you were one of them. However, my readers tell me they appreciate being spared right-wing groupthink, since they get saturated with it everywhere else.” I am still blocked there. :)

10 Comments

  1. Hey Dana, email Wombat and put Rule 5 in the subject line, and axe him.
    [edit]Course, it’d have to have that NSFW tag applied, methinks. Also NSFAM (after meals).

  2. There is a significant amount of talk linking the OWS protests to the TEA Party rallies of last year, but I think that’s kind of strained. The TEA Partiers were generally older and more responsible, and they sure cleaned up after themselves a lot better. More importantly, they translated their protests during the summer into votes in the fall.

    Uh-huh.

    The teabaggers are simply astro-turfed authoritarian followers.

    Proof of this can be seen in their sudden disappearance from the national media and from any noticable events as soon as their corporate funders got what they wanted.

    And it’s laughable for a astroturf movement to name itself after an event of piracy and the destruction of private property and then whine and sob about a real democratic movement breaking a few city ordinances.

    OWS is an example of democracy in action. No wonder you w1ngnuts fear it so much.

  3. The Phoenician wrote:

    And it’s laughable for a astroturf movement to name itself after an event of piracy and the destruction of private property and then whine and sob about a real democratic movement breaking a few city ordinances.

    OWS is an example of democracy in action. No wonder you w1ngnuts fear it so much.

    [guffaws] Well, Phoe, in the United States, we celebrate the Boston Tea Party as one of the seminal events leading up to our Revolution, but yes, I’m sure that King George and his Parliament did view the Boaton Tea Party as “an event of piracy and the destruction of private property.” As the winners, of course, we get to write the history.

    You seem to have forgotten — or ignored — that the modern TEA Party stands for Taxed Enough Already.

    Is OWS an example of democracy in action? I guess we’ll find out thirteen months from now, won’t we? The TEA Party rallies helped mobilize conservative voters, which resulted in Republican victories in the 2010 elections; can the Overly Wet Snuggies crowd do the same?

  4. You seem to have forgotten — or ignored — that the modern TEA Party stands for Taxed Enough Already.

    No, it stands for Koch-funded astroturf.

    Is OWS an example of democracy in action? I guess we’ll find out thirteen months from now, won’t we?

    Except, of course, that the US only has the facade of democracy left when it comes to elections. Your “elections” between carefully selected corporate wh0re Tweedledum and carefully selected corporate wh0re Tweedledee are little more convincing than reports that 99% of North Koreans recently voted for Beloved Leader again.

  5. Is OWS an example of democracy in action? I guess we’ll find out thirteen months from now, won’t we?

    Let’s see…

    An election of deputies to the 11th Supreme People’s Assembly was held in the DPRK on August 3. The DPRK also held elections of deputies to provincial (municipal) and city (district) people’s assemblies on the same day.

    General Secretary Kim Jong Il was elected a deputy to the SPA.

    The eligible voters who had registered at constituency No. 649 all went to the polls and 100 percent of them voted for Kim Jong Il, said a report on the results of the election of the SPA.

    According to the report by the Central Election Committee on August 4, 99.9 percent of all the eligible voters registered on the poll books went to the polls and 100 percent of the casters voted for the candidates of deputies to the SPA who had registered at all the constituencies.

    This is an “expression of all the voters” support for and trust in the DPRK government and a manifestation of our army and people’s steadfast will to consolidate the people’s power as firm as a rock and accomplish the revolution under the guidance of the Workers’ Party of Korea, the Central Election Committee said.

    Let’s see. According to Dana’s logic, this election demonstrates that Kim Jong Il is a democratically elected leader enjoying massive support in North Korea. Dana will, of course, ignore claims that North Korean elections are sham propaganda exercises just as Dana is frantically ignoring reports of gerrymandering, voter suppression, dirty tricks, and outright fraud in US elections.

  6. Silliness. In the United States we have two competing parties, of significantly different ideologies, and, since the 2006 elections, we have changed the party control of the House of Representatives twice, the Senate once, the Presidency once (the only time it came up), and several state legislative chambers and gubernatorial seats changed party control, some more than once. In our next election, the current probabilities are that the Senate and Presidency will change party control again, but that’s certainly not guaranteed.

    The notion that you would compare American elections to those of North Korea shows just how ridiculous your arguments have become. In the PDRK, there is exactly zero chance of party control changing.

    Of course, your claim is that the Democrats and the Republicans are virtually indistinguishable from each other, because both are to the right of you, but that’s certainly not how we view them here, and the efforts of your good friend Perry ought to be enough to persuade you that he certainly sees a real difference. Heck, your own continual attempts to tout one party over another in the US tell us that you see a difference; if you didn’t you wouldn’t waste so much time and bandwidth arguing about it.

    But what really draws your anger is that none of the responsible people are listening to you. It’s not just the United States which has rejected Keynesian illogic, but now we’re seeing it throughout the Western democracies, in the UK, in Germany, in France, all over democratic Europe. If it was just the US, you could sit back and see if things were going better elsewhere, but virtually everybody in a position of real responsibility has rejected thinking like yours.

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  8. “The teabaggers are simply astro-turfed authoritarian followers.”

    That’s a bald-faced lie Pho. How many TEA Party events did you attend? I was at three. There wer zero-that’s ZERO- astro-turfers! There was two bus loads of people who came in from Lancaster Co. and when we spoke a lady told me they each paid $12 to rent the bus. Hardly astro-turf. But since Nancy Pelosi said so, you repeat it as gospel even though you were 16000 miles away. She lied, and if you repeat her lie then you’re a liar too. Now in contrast, unions are shipping in protesters to NY and there are ads on the street and on Craigslist to hire protesters. That is astro-turf!

    “No, it stands for Koch-funded astroturf.”

    Another lie. If, and I say if the Koch’s had anything to do with the TEA PARTY it was in supporting its goals, not funding its participants. The name “Koch” never came up at any rally I was at. But then again, I was only there and you weren’t so your second hand information has to be right, you know best, right?

    All I saw at those rallys were average working folks, in average clothes, some with their kids and some with their parents, carrying American and Gadsden flags and wanting basicaly two things: 1. stop increasing taxes and 2. spend our taxes collected in a responsible way and not on bail-outs and QE garbage.

    The reason the vast amount of TEA Party events were held on weekends should give even you idological morons an idea that these are the actual working people, small business owners (who I met scores) and professionals who can’t spend weeks siting on their butts on someone elses dime. In contrast, the filthy, disgusting, commie pigs in NY are there for drugs, sex and (as one genius said) “The free shit”.

    Now I’m sure that if you surf you will find some bad eggs, one always can. Just like I’m sure if I surf I could find some good eggs at Wall Street. Well, perhaps not.

    BTW, you guys keep repeating that somehow we conservatives are “afraid” or “scared” of these filthy pigs. Hardly! I’ve been through war and battled daily in the trenches of business. The only thing I could ever be afraid of is a government in the hands of these commie dogs. I’ve seen what they do first hand when they have power. Perhaps those signs in NY that stated “Kill the rich” or “EAT the rich” mirror your view of life, it dosen’t mirror mine. That’s pure envy and hate and I don’t want any part of it.

  9. In the United States we have two competing parties, of significantly different ideologies,

    Bwahahahahhhahahahah. *snicker*

    “The teabaggers are simply astro-turfed authoritarian followers.”

    That’s a bald-faced lie Pho.

    Uh-huh:

    It likes to present itself as a grassroots insurgency made up of hundreds of local groups intent on toppling the Washington elite.

    But the Tea Party movement, which is threatening to cause an upset in next month’s midterm elections, would not be where it is today without the backing of that most traditional of US political supporters – Big Oil.

    The billionaire brothers who own Koch Industries, a private company with 70,000 employees and annual revenues of $100bn (£62bn), used to joke that they controlled the biggest company nobody had ever heard of.

    Not any more. After decades during which their fortune grew exponentially and they channelled millions of dollars to rightwing causes, Charles and David Koch are finally getting noticed for their part in the extraordinary growth of the Tea Party movement.

    You’re a useful 1diot for people who think they own your country. And you know what – they’re right. Authoritarian followers like yourself are way happier as serfs than as citizens; it’s not surprising that you’re selling out your county’s freedom to billionaires.

    Have you noticed, Hoagie, that the teabaggers seem tio have disappeared from the national stage as soon as your corporate owners got what they wanted?

    <i.BTW, you guys keep repeating that somehow we conservatives are “afraid” or “scared” of these filthy pigs.

    Of course you are. Actual signs of democracy are terrifying to people like you, who want only to sell yourselves and your country to the richest bidder.

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