Rick Perry and illegal immigration

My esteemed co-blogger, John Hitchcock, a now-former Buckeye who lives in the Lone Star State, isn’t particularly enamored of his Governor, Rick Perry, and Mr Perry’s campaign to become our 45th President:

I’m not so sure. I think Rick Perry is, at best, going sideways and not up. Allahpundit goes on to quote MSNBC.

“We have, for decades, had a federal government that has absolutely failed in its constitutional duty to defend our border,” Perry said.

“I’m a governor. I don’t have the pleasure of standing on the stage and criticizing. I have to deal with these issues,” he later added.

Perry continued, “In 2001, we had this choice: Are we going to kick these children over to the curb and say you cannot have access to college? Because the fact of the matter is there’s no way they could pay the out-of-state tuition. And are we going to have them on the government dole over here because they’re not educated? Or are we going to have them in our institutions of higher learning, paying in state tuition, pursuing citizenship?”

How about we quit enabling illegal aliens in their illegal activities? Ever think of that, Governor Perry? Allahpundit notes Rick Perry opposes E-Verify, his wife has framed the question of either tuition subsidies or welfare payments — to illegals — a Left-wing Big Government false dichotomy fallacy, not only do illegals get in-state tuition subsidies (paid for by the tax-payers) but also tax-payer funded financial aid.

From Ross Ramsey, the managing editor at The Texas Tribune, writing in The New York Times:


On Immigrant Tuition, Texans See It Perry’s Way

Rick Perry’s tuition troubles have a lot to do with the difference between politics in Texas and politics everywhere else.

His support for in-state tuition for the children of illegal immigrants — and the fact that he’s sticking with it — started a political tornado. It was enough to make Herman Cain say he would vote for Mitt Romney for president but not for Mr. Perry.

In Texas, there was almost no controversy when the law passed in 2001 with nearly unanimous support from lawmakers of both parties, and it hasn’t been much of an issue since — or wasn’t, until that twister touched ground. Earlier this year, an effort to undo it died in the halls of the Capitol.

Much more at the link. The article notes that John Sharp, the new chancellor of the Texas A&M University System, said:

Here’s what you’ve got, the federal government is allowing folks to come in — granted, allowing folks to come in that ought not be allowed to come in. O.K? The governor, the Legislature, the 174 members who voted for that piece of legislation did not get the choice of whether or not those kids were there. Their choice is whether or not those kids are going to become productive citizens or become one hell of a drag on the Texas economy, and that’s it. It seems that common sense dictates that maybe, from a Texas point of view, we need to make sure they’re not that kind of a drag on the Texas economy.

According to the article, Steve Murdock, the former director of the United States Census Bureau, who is now teaching at Rice University in Houston, said that 6.7% of the state’s population is composed of illegal immigrants. Considering that some of those illegal immigrants certainly have had children after getting here, there must be a fairly significant number of young American citizens living among the illegal immigrant population, and that some people call them “anchor babies” — and I note here that Mr Hitchcock did not use that term — makes no difference: they are still American citizens and cannot be deported, nor can we up and deport their parents and break up their families.

Mr Hitchcock is not so naïve as to suggest that we simply round up and deport the illegal immigrants; he knows that we just flat won’t do that. Instead, he suggests:

And that Left-wing Big Government false dichotomy fallacy? How about we don’t subsidize the education of illegal aliens? How about we don’t give tax-payer funded Welfare to illegal aliens? How about we don’t allow businesses to hire illegal aliens? Do you know what that would do? It would save the tax-payers lots of money and it would stop enabling the illegal aliens and their illegal behavior. That would be the Small Government Conservative approach, and that would encourage the illegal aliens to return home.

Well, it might be, and it makes perfect sense, but it has nothing to do with the way we conduct our lives. It’s been a while since I’ve addressed the topic, but I’ve written previously (here, here, here and here) that the reason we have illegal immigration is that we want illegal immigration. Why do I say that? Because while we might vote at the polls, once every two years, for politicians who promise to “do something” about illegal immigration, we vote, every day, with our wallets, to support illegal immigration. If employers hire illegal immigrants, it is because the public do not choose not to patronize businesses which do hire illegal immigrants. If you walk into a Seven-Eleven, and you see a clearly Hispanic clerk, do you simply assume that he is here legally, and continue on with your business, or do you decide, he might be here illegally, and I’ll take my business elsewhere? The answer is obvious: almost no one forces a confrontation, and virtually all of us assume, for our own convenience, that the clerk is here legally, and continue on with our business. If you go to the grocery store, and you happen to want to buy chicken, do you check to see if that chicken was processed at a legally-compliant company, or do you give a rat’s ass that a company like Perdue, which has frequently been the target of illegal immigrant hiring claims, might have been the one which provided the chicken? When you go to the grocery store and buy a head of lettuce, do you really take the time to check to see if it was harvested and brought to market by entirely legal labor, or do you just buy the lettuce?

I wrote, back in December of 2006, when the unemployment rate was 4.4%:

And the truth is that we both need and want the immigrant workers. We want them to do the jobs that Americans don’t want, and want them to do them at an acceptable price. We don’t particularly want them speaking Spanish or changing the culture or adding expenses for educating their children; we’d much rather that they did the work and then didn’t bother us the rest of the time, but that can’t happen. And Congress will never come up with immigration laws and reforms that actually make any sense and are enforceable until we tell the truth to ourselves.

Unemployment is now 9.1%, and while there are plenty of good Americans who say that they’d do the work, I haven’t seen any rush of American citizens to try to rush the fields and meat processing plants to take those jobs away from foreigners. Nor would it make much difference if there were such a rush: we invited those illegal immigrants here, by our deliberate economic choices, and they’re here now, and that won’t change.

For Governor Perry, whose candidacy I support, he and the state legislature and the local governments and school boards all have to deal with the situation at hand. They are hamstrung by the federal government, which has control of immigration law and enforcement, as well as by the choices of the people to accept and encourage illegal immigration by their economic choices; the illegal immigrants are here, period, and are part of our society, whether we like it or not.

One of the Republican candidates I like the most — though I am not currently favoring his candidacy — is Herman Cain. Mr Cain is the former Chief Executive Officer of Godfather’s Pizza, and that makes him the only candidate who has ever run a significant business. So, I checked Mr Cain’s issues stance on immigration:

Americans do resent, however, the willingness of some to circumvent our laws and enter our nation illegally. While many, if not most, illegal immigrants are peaceful people simply seeking to provide for their families, some are not. In fact, some are quite dangerous, jeopardizing the safety and well-being of American citizens.

Illegal immigration has only exacerbated illegal activity, such as the horrendous crimes of drug smuggling and human trafficking. Illegal immigrants who are repeat offenders are harder to track, making it difficult for law enforcement to prevent crime. Further, weak borders have caused a compounding problem of terrorists assimilating with illegal immigrants, crossing the border with them and entering the U.S.

Illegal immigration also puts a tremendous strain on America’s entitlement and health care systems. Illegal immigrants are typically uninsured and cannot afford to pay for their medical care, driving up costs for all Americans, even those actually insured. In fact, several hospitals in the U.S. have declared bankruptcy as a result of the costs of caring for illegal immigrants.

We must secure our borders, enforce our laws and promote the existing path to citizenship. Protecting our nation’s sovereignty should be a paramount concern of those elected to lead us, not an afterthought or a reaction once the problem becomes even worse. Further, taking a stand on the issue does not mean one lacks compassion, but instead, that one respects the rule of law and the importance of not becoming a lawless nation.

One has to wonder: did Godfather’s Pizza, when Mr Cain was its CEO and part owner, have zero illegal immigrant employees? When Mr Cain, then head of the National Restaurant Association, helped defeat HillaryCare by telling President Clinton, face-to-face, that the President’s statement that his universal health care legislation would not harm American business owners and their employees was incorrect and that business just did not work the way Mr Clinton thought it did, was he busy making sure that none of the National Restaurant Association’s members had any illegal immigrant employees?

We all know that the answer to both of those questions is no. CEOs may be responsible for all of the decisions in a corporation, but they certainly don’t control them all or even know about them all, and a corporation with over 600 restaurants spread over 40 states is doing things at the store level the CEO knows nothing about, period. The chances that Godfather’s Pizza had zero illegal immigrant employees while Mr Cain was the boss are virtually nil. Yet Mr Cain said that, if he was not the nominee, he could vote for former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA), but not Governor Perry if one of them won the nomination.

Like it or not, illegal immigrants are simply part of our society and our economy today. We can fuss about that and we can pontificate that such is wrong, but, in the end, we have to be realistic about it, and tell ourselves the truth.

That is what Governor Perry and the Texas state legislature have done: they have told themselves the truth about illegal immigrants, that they are here, and that they will mostly stay here, and that simply will not change. Our governments, at every level, have to recognize the truth, have to tell themselves the truth, and have to deal with the truth as it is.

One of the reasons I support Governor Perry is that he is a real conservative — though perhaps not one who will pass every conservative’s litmus test on every issue — who has actually run something, who has actually been responsible for the government of a large state, and has been successful at it.  In doing that, Mr Perry had to deal with the situations that exist in Texas, and did so.

33 Comments

  1. While I can’t completely agree with the stand Texas took on illegal education, it is a pragmatic approach. The illegal problem goes on and on and on. Despite the rhetoric, nothing really changes, they are here and will continue to be here. At least for the foreseeable future. It is practical to say, for those brought here as young children, having gone through our education system, it makes sense to allow the in-state tuition–but with conditions.

    I do agree that we need to stop enabling. They have no rights to come here and live off us. We aren’t obligated to provide welfare benefits, subsidies nor anything else.

    I can support Perry in a lot of ways. He at least has his feet on the ground. He accepts when he made a wrong turn, takes responsibility for it, explains it without blaming others and making excuses. He apologizes when he’s wrong, and has the intelligence and flexibility to rethink something when it should be. He will also stand and defend his ground when he needs to. That speaks of integrity.

    He’s not the only candidate I could support, but there are definitely a few I wouldn’t. Push come to shove, I will get out and vote for whoever the Republican nominee is, no matter the reservations about their integrity and character.

  2. “Push come to shove, I will get out and vote for whoever the Republican nominee is, no matter the reservations about their integrity and character.”

    Not a very principled position there KLD, I’d say!

    Would it not be better to simply vote for the best person?

  3. Perry wrote:

    “Push come to shove, I will get out and vote for whoever the Republican nominee is, no matter the reservations about their integrity and character.” (KLD)

    Not a very principled position there KLD, I’d say!

    Would it not be better to simply vote for the best person?

    Given that any of the Republican candidates, even including Representative Ron Paul (R-TX), couldn’t possibly make a worse President than the guy who is in office now, I’d say that it’s a pragmatic position to take.

    President Obama is a center-leftist in philosophy, and an utter failure as an executive. Even if we get a politically moderate Republican nominee, we won’t have anyone who has actually failed as an executive.

  4. Perry says:
    2 October 2011 at 13:04

    “Push come to shove, I will get out and vote for whoever the Republican nominee is, no matter the reservations about their integrity and character.”

    Not a very principled position there KLD, I’d say!

    Would it not be better to simply vote for the best person?

    +++++++++++++++

    LOL — all that teeth-gritting — it must hurt to be a Republican.

  5. The Other McCain wrote:

    And now it’s over. Completely and irretrievably over. How over is it? Mitt Romney is mocking Perry as a RINO sellout[.]

    Former Governor Romney certainly does that! When you open up Governor Romney’s campaign website, this is the first image you will see, at leas at of this writing:

    Which raises the rather obvious question: just what is Mr Romney’s position on illegal immigration? Well, his Issues page makes no mention at all about his position on the subject. That meant I had to go to other sources to find what he has said. From Wikipedia:

    Romney favors increased immigration to the United States and opposes illegal immigration, saying “I want to see more immigration in our country, but more legal immigration and less illegal immigration.”[135] In a speech to the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, Romney said “I want to make sure we continue an open door in immigration.”[136] He supports the deportation of illegal immigrants, prioritizes a secure border as well as employer verification, and opposes granting Amnesty to illegal Aliens. Romney supports giving “a biometrically-enabled and tamperproof card to non-citizens and … a national database for non-citizens” to reduce illegal immigration.[137]

    Romney is against amnesty for illegal aliens, but also said, “I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country.” He would like to see illegal immigrants register with the government, pay taxes, and apply for citizenship,[138] but that they should not be given any priority or special treatment over immigrants who have applied for citizenship legally.

    Unfortunately, Wiki can be user-edited, and the source citations in the article are not all still working. But I have to wonder how he can both support the “deportation of illegal immigrants” and say, “I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country.” Pick one or the other, because you can’t be for both. Unless you are going to round up all of the illegal immigrants and deport them — and anyone who says that he will do that is lying to you — then you have to deal with having them here. Governor Romney signed an executive order that would have allowed state police officers to make arrests for immigration violations, but he did it just a month before he was to leave office, all the time knowing that the incoming Governor, Deval Patrick (D-MA), opposed it, and in fact revoked the order. That was December of 2006, when Mr Romney was preparing to run for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.

    Romney vetoed a bill in 2004 that would have allowed illegal immigrants to obtain in-state tuition rates at state colleges if they graduated from a Massachusetts high school after attending it for at least three years and signed an affidavit affirming that they intended to seek citizenship. Romney argued that the bill would cost the state government $15 million and that Massachusetts should not reward illegal immigration.

    With that, Mr Romney’s record does at least match his criticism of Governor Perry, but it does raise an obvious question: if illegal immigrants are ineligible for in-state tuition in the state in which they reside, and would, obviously, be ineligible for in-state tuition rates in state where they don’t reside, doesn’t that mean college is placed beyond the reach of many, if not most, of them? We’re not going to round them up and deport them, which means we have to deal with the fact that they live here; doesn’t Governor Romney’s position indicate that he wants to let them stay here, but still keep them less educated and less able to earn a good living?

  6. “Mr Hitchcock is not so naïve as to suggest that we simply round up and deport the illegal immigrants; he knows that we just flat won’t do that. Instead, he suggests:

    And that Left-wing Big Government false dichotomy fallacy? How about we don’t subsidize the education of illegal aliens? How about we don’t give tax-payer funded Welfare to illegal aliens? How about we don’t allow businesses to hire illegal aliens? Do you know what that would do? It would save the tax-payers lots of money and it would stop enabling the illegal aliens and their illegal behavior. That would be the Small Government Conservative approach, and that would encourage the illegal aliens to return home.”

    Since I am no longer permitted by “Mr Hitchcock” to criticize “Mr Hitchcock” on his topics, I will criticize him here.

    What he is saying here is that we should extract hard work from illegals, but continue to pay them the lowest, and offer them no benefits for their contributions. That is typical of what we hear from Hitchcock, and all too typical of the attitudes of many of those who label themselves as “Conservatives”.

    And I have to really laugh when Hitchcock refers to his illegal immigrant solution as “the Small Government Conservative approach”, when it is the exact opposite, all too typical of Hitchcock’s propaganda.

    Regarding Rick Perry, let’s review some pertinent details about his record from your beloved Washington Times:

    “Here are five reasons why Governor Perry is a problem for the GOP and bad for America. There are many more, but let’s start with these five.

    1. Perry’s job creation record is less than it seems:

    * Most of the jobs created in Texas have been in the natural gas and oil industries; as energy prices rise, those jobs increase, soaring by 16.8% over the last year;

    * fewer state regulations attract businesses to Texas that don’t like following the usual rules of health and safety;

    * nearly 10% of Texas’ hourly laborers earn less than the $7.25 an hour minimum wage, sharing that bottom of the barrel distinction with Mississippi;

    * Perry just slashed the state budget, which will kill 100,000 jobs. Most of those fired will be public sector workers, such as teachers;

    *Perry’s braggadocio aside, Texas’ unemployment rate is 8.2%, lower than in many states, but higher than in 25 others, including liberal Massachusetts and New York (CNN Money).

    2. The Texas economy is rocky.

    Governor Perry signed a budget this year that is balanced only through the use of accounting gimmicks, such as delaying payment on bills coming due in 2013. Perhaps he believes he will be in the White House by then.

    Over the last decade Perry doubled the state’s debt, from $12.7 billion in 2001 to $34.08 billion in 2009. He did this by refusing to raise any state taxes, at the same time pruning property and business taxes and handing out tax breaks and exemptions.

    He claims that he preserved the Rainy Day Fund, but angry fellow Republicans say that’s untrue and have demanded that he drop the claim. (AP report)

    3. Texas is the country’s biggest polluter.

    Just look at what lax or nearly nonexistent regulations can do to a state. They’ve made Houston the smog capital of the nation, according to the Houston mayor’s report. The Texas Legislative Study Group on the State of Our State wrote in its damning report that Texas has the rare distinction of being:

    1st in amount of carbon dioxide released into the air;

    1st in amount of volatile organic compounds released into air;

    1st in amount of toxic chemicals released into water;

    1stin amount of recognized cancer-causing carcinogens released into air;

    1st in amount of hazardous waste generated;

    1st in amount of toxic chemicals released into the air.

    Perry’s solution to the problem is to tell the EPA, “Don’t mess with Texas.”

    In February, 2010, Governor Perry sued the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in federal court for its recent finding that CO2 is a pollutant. EPA’s national campaign to tighten pollution regulations led to this pushback from Texas, not surprising since the state is home to huge petrochemical corporations, major producers of industrial pollutants and carbon dioxide.

    4. Just as you would expect, then, Texas has an abysmal health record, ranking at 40th out of the 50 states.

    Texas is last in:

    * percent of non-elderly women with health insurance;

    * percent of pregnant women getting prenatal care in the first trimester;

    * workers’ compensation coverage;

    * per capita spending on mental health.

    Nearly 26% of Texas’ children live in poverty.

    Texas is on the brink, thanks to Republican misrule, including the misrule of that other infamous Texan, George W. Bush. The policies of its current governor continue to push it towards the edge.

    Or as the Texas Legislative study put it:

    “You get what you pay for. In Texas, we do not get much because we do not pay for much. Compared to other states, Texas ranks near the bottom in spending for education, health care, environmental protection, workforce development, public safety, and other services and protections. Our failure to invest in ourselves puts our children at risk and our future in jeopardy.” (Texas on the Brink)

    5. Perry looks to God to step in and solve Texas’ problems when he won’t.

    In April of this year, Governor Perry declared three days of prayer in Texas to get God to intervene and stop the drought and the ensuing wild fires that were engulfing the state. What did Perry do to help God out?

    Since fire season started on Nov. 15, 2010, the Texas Forest Service and area fire departments have responded to 18,300 fires that have burned 3,435,963 acres, according to the Forest Service. July was the hottest month ever recorded in Texas, according to state climatologist John Nielson-Gammon, and the 12 months ending July 31 were the driest since records started being kept in 1895. The drought has ravaged more than 78 percent of Texas and is rated historically exceptional.

    Texas depends mostly on volunteers to fight wildfires in rural areas. The appropriate response to the situation might be to raise the Forest Service’s budget to fight fires. When the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram asked the Governor’s office about a proposed 30 percent budget cut, spokeswoman Lucy Nashed responded:

    “We’re still working through the budget process, but the governor is committed to continuing to work with lawmakers in the House and Senate to craft a budget that prioritizes essential services, including public safety, without raising taxes.”

    Now please tell me how Governor Perry can run on THIS record, let alone qualify to be our President? And we already know that the man cannot perform in a debate. Yet with all this baggage, Governor Perry is your front runner, and Dana supports him too?

    You Repubs are really screwed up!!!

  7. “Given that any of the Republican candidates, even including Representative Ron Paul (R-TX), couldn’t possibly make a worse President than the guy who is in office now, I’d say that it’s a pragmatic position to take. “

    Now I know for sure what I have suspected for several months, Dana, and that is you have lost it, totally and completely!!!

  8. “I can support Perry in a lot of ways. He at least has his feet on the ground. He accepts when he made a wrong turn, takes responsibility for it, explains it without blaming others and making excuses. He apologizes when he’s wrong, and has the intelligence and flexibility to rethink something when it should be. He will also stand and defend his ground when he needs to. That speaks of integrity. “

    Well thank you very kindly, KLD. I try! :)

  9. Since I am no longer permitted by “Mr Hitchcock” to criticize “Mr Hitchcock” on his topics, I will criticize him here.

    What he is saying here is that we should extract hard work from illegals, but continue to pay them the lowest, and offer them no benefits for their contributions. That is typical of what we hear from Hitchcock, and all too typical of the attitudes of many of those who label themselves as “Conservatives”.

    In their hearts they miss the good old days, before the Union Army came along and spoiled things.

  10. Dana: “Given that any of the Republican candidates, even including Representative Ron Paul (R-TX), couldn’t possibly make a worse President than the guy who is in office now, I’d say that it’s a pragmatic position to take. “

    Perry : Now I know for sure what I have suspected for several months, Dana, and that is you have lost it, totally and completely!!!

    Dana believes Bush was a better President than Obama, Perry. That just about says it all re his judgement.

  11. Perry, how many lies about me can you pack into a single comment? Ah well, it is to be expected from you. How do you get from “How about we don’t allow businesses to hire illegal aliens?” which is in your quote of what I said to “What he is saying here is that we should extract hard work from illegals, but continue to pay them the lowest, and offer them no benefits for their contributions.”?

    How can you quote me saying don’t hire the illegals and claim it means hire the illegals, make them work really really really hard and pay them beans? You flat-out lied there and with practically everything you said about me. But that’s par for the course for you. You have a very difficult time being honorable.

  12. Perry attempts to turn this into the standard anti-Perry Democratic e-mail talking point:

    Now please tell me how Governor Perry can run on THIS record, let alone qualify to be our President? And we already know that the man cannot perform in a debate. Yet with all this baggage, Governor Perry is your front runner, and Dana supports him too?

    You Repubs are really screwed up!!!

    As always, you attempt to defend a President who has utterly failed in office by claiming, “Well, the other guys are worse!” Sorry, but Mr Perry has done fairly well as Governor of Texas, far better in that office than the guy you support has done as President. Texas has created jobs, while the country as a whole has lost them; ’nuff said!

  13. Perry wrote:

    “Given that any of the Republican candidates, even including Representative Ron Paul (R-TX), couldn’t possibly make a worse President than the guy who is in office now, I’d say that it’s a pragmatic position to take. “

    Now I know for sure what I have suspected for several months, Dana, and that is you have lost it, totally and completely!!!

    Perry, if Barack Obama hadn’t been such an utter failure as President, you wouldn’t even be worried about his re-election; he’d win based on his record. You are worried, and the Democrats are doing everything they can to tear down his challengers, precisely because he has been such a failure.

    Forget us Republicans: even among the Democrats there are rising calls for President Obama to step aside, and to nominate someone else, like Hillary Clinton. Google Hillary 2012, and you’ll get 25,900,000 returns, from all sorts of sources. A Gallup poll in September showed that more than a third of Democrats would support Clinton were she to challenge President Obama in the primaries for the 2012 election. You wouldn’t see stuff like that if President Obama had a record of even middling success; you see it because he’s such an abject failure.

  14. The Phoenician wrote:

    Dana believes Bush was a better President than Obama, Perry. That just about says it all re his judgement.

    And apparently I’m not the only one! From a very liberal source, the Huffington Post:

    A new CNN poll now claims that the one-time universally battered, bruised, hectored and in virtual disgrace George W. Bush is almost as popular as President Obama. Here’s an even more incredible way to put it. If the presidential election were held today it would be a toss-up between Bush and Obama over which one would bag the White House. The poll finding is: Americans say Obama is a better president than Bush by a statistically insignificant 2 percent. This scant two percent Obama edge is down a whopping 23 percent from where it was a year ago.

    George Bush was far from perfect as our President, but he was a heck of a lot better than his successor, and more and more people are seeing that now.

  15. And while George Bush can’t run against Barack Obama, and we don’t know who the 2012 Republican presidential nominee will be yet, we have had a few hints from the American voters as to how positively they view President Obama and the Democrats, those hints being called the 2010 elections and the 2011 special elections. Remember: the elections are the only polls which actually count!

  16. Oh, and just for the record, I have indeed actually refused to buy Tyson and Perdue foodstuffs due to the companies and owners. Just as I have refused for the past 15 or 20 years to buy any Levi Strauss products and have refused them as gifts due to their ultimatum against the Boy Scouts, which the Boy Scouts refused as well. So, yeah, I do have integrity there. As far as the Hispanic or Indian (dot) behind the counter, it is not my business as a customer to guarantee the company followed the law regarding this particular individual. If the company is legit and above-board, the employee is legal or engaging in further fraud.

  17. “You wouldn’t see stuff like that if President Obama had a record of even middling success; you see it because he’s such an abject failure.”

    Repeating that statement over and over, Dana, does not make it true. And in fact, it is not true, except in the perception of wingnut idealogues like you, Hube, and Hitchcock!

    Considering the fact that we were almost in Great Depression II when President Obama took office, on top of the fact that especially European finances have been in such serious disarray, out of Obama’s control, is it any wonder that it will take significant time for recovery.

    Moreover, the failure is due to the do-nothing attitude with the Repubs in Congress, where their stated FIRST priority since President Obama took office is to limit him to one term.

    When assessing President Obama’s performance, how is it that you say nothing about the performance of Congress, which according to the polls is less than half that of the President?

    So Dana, your oft repeated words simply do not ring true, except in the ears of your fellow right wing radicals! President Obama turned the economy around, preserved the vitality of our financial institutions, restored an American auto industry, created twice as many jobs as Bush, and passed legislation representing an initiative to insure more Americans and cut health care costs in the long run. In response, the DJIA has increased 65% from the low point in March 2009, taking into account the recent downturn. By comparison, the DJIA decreased 9% during Bush’s watch, a decrease of a whopping 33% by March 2009, three months into President Obama’s first term.

    And now you are going to continue to claim that Bush has been one of our best Presidents, even though he literally trashed our economy with massive debt. You really are kidding? I’m afraid you really are, as you continue your partisan denials and fabrications. My have you changed!

    Again, I remind you, President Obama’s achievements have been significant. Try as you may, you cannot deny these facts, else further reduce your own credibility. Since you are so impressed with former President Bush, perhaps you can provide a list of his accomplishments. Be careful, now, not to embarrass yourself again, Dana.

  18. And in fact, it is not true, except in the perception of wingnut idealogues like you, Hube, and Hitchcock!

    For one who is so against the useless of personal attacks, why do you insist on using them, Perry? Still merely talking the talk, never walking the walk. As usual, hypocrite.

  19. You wouldn’t see stuff like that if President Obama had a record of even middling success

    i believe, Dana, that your prescription for GM was “let it die”… Isn’t it a good thing that Obama succeeded in saving America’s car industry?

  20. i believe, Dana, that your prescription for GM was “let it die”… Isn’t it a good thing that Obama succeeded in saving America’s car industry?

    Ford did just fine without a government takeover. American Honda, American BMW, American Toyota did just fine as well. In fact, had federal bankruptcy law been followed, GM would’ve come out of it just fine, too. Except the socialist UAW (which is likely to go bankrupt in the next 5 years) wouldn’t now own so much of GM.

  21. Mike Allen of Politico noted in today’s mailing:

    “Those pushing Mr. Christie to run include the media mogul Rupert Murdoch, former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger, Nancy Reagan and the conservative columnist William Kristol. “

    If this doesn’t tell you where Rick Perry currently stands in the minds of prominent Republicans, I don’t know what will.

    And then to think seriously about promoting a man who has said continuously that he does not think he is ready, that illustrates how really messed up the Repub Party is!

  22. Perry, you don’t understand what the TEA Party movement is, do you? You don’t understand what Conservatives think, do you? Bill Kristol is scorned by many Conservatives because he ain’t one but acts like he is. We the People don’t need no Ruling Class Republicans tellin’ us what to do, nor do we need the Democratic Socialists of America tellin’ us what to do.

    That’s really the problem with you, Perry; there is so much that you think you know that just isn’t true. Chris Christie plays well with the Establishment Republicans and was a viral sensation when he was putting the arrogant Unionistas in their place. He’s the best New Jersey could hope for. But when the gun-grabber’s views are understood, Middle America will reject him.

    If you want to “bridge the gap” you really need to learn the basics of Conservatism instead of your hand-waving declaration that 40 percent of the public are the radical fringe. But you won’t do any studying to show yourself approved. It’s not in you. Never has been, likely never will be (short of a true miracle).

  23. “Perry, as the southerners say: Bless your heart.”

    Was that one John Hitchcock who wrote that?

    Could have fooled me!

  24. Perry, you don’t understand what the TEA Party movement is, do you?

    As has been documented, the same old same old American right wing in a corporate astro-turf funded disguise.

  25. After 1990 more people have covertly arrived here than any time since immigration numbers have been recorded. In the previous 20 years, immigration has exploded to over 1 million newcomers a year, that it is three times the conventional standard. Immigration is not just one issue that profoundly affects our children and grandchildren, but goes far beyond today’s challenges we must deal with such as jobs, the economy and loss of revenue from paying equally for our uninsured Americans but illegal aliens as well. Our countries population has more than doubled from 203 million in 1970 and an impending 439 million in 2050, according to the Census Bureau. Immigration is estimated to cause eighty-two percent of propagation between 2005 and 2050 as estimated by The Pew Hispanic Center. Congress has caused this radical population, without thinking of future consequences or the incessant extortion of U.S. taxpayers by the IRS to pay for these people–illegal and illegal.

    Yesterdays immigrants came with nothing; expecting nothing. But those illegal immigrants, who have come here since 1986, expect free welfare and public assistance and demanding even more through demonstration in our streets. These are economic illegal aliens, made easy to come here through porous borders and even less internal enforcement. $113 Billion dollars a year and climbing, doesn’t seem that much under the present doldrums of a 14.7 Trillion dollar U.S. deficit? But this money should not be going to foreigners, when America have their own crushing poverty, within its states? A good beginning to the long road back, is by all patriotic citizens or legalized residents insisting that Congress adopt Lamar Smiths mandated E-Verify bill (H.R. 2885), identified as the “Legal Workforce Act” . Contact your own local Senator or Representative or federal politician at 202-224-3121.

    The consequences of illegal alien workers being hired will be alleviated by turning the tables on less than honorable business owners, who are stealing jobs from American workers to buttress their enormous earnings. There are no short cuts in this massive problem as a way back to national sovereignty or the way our government is suppose to work. A failure to secure our borders is not an option, or to enforce the laws of the 1986 Immigration Control and Reform Act. None of this illegal population would have happened if previous administrations had enforced all policies. The “Legal Workforce Act” has the intensity, to reject those illegal workers and open many jobs for citizens and permanent residents. Like any other developed country with growing industries, we always have the inducement of a good place to live, if you qualify for a special preference visa. Only the highest eligible skills should be expedited, and those who are considered—ECONOMIC–aliens must be turned away.

    THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT STATE IMMIGRATION POLICING LAWS IN ARIZONA, ALABAMA, GEORGIA, UTAH OR ANY OTHER STATE SOVEREIGNTY. IT IS EVERY AMERICAN STATES PROBLEM AND ITS RESIDENTS. IT’S NOT JUST A RICK PERRY ISSUE, MITT ROMNEY, OR ANY PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL; IT’S EVERY AMERICAN PROBLEM WHO STILL REMAINS JOBLESS. IT’S A GROWING CATASTROPHE FOR ALL OF US, WHO ARE FORCED BY LAW TO SUPPORT HEALTH TREATMENT, EDUCATION AND A WIDE CORNUCOPIA OF PUBLIC SERVICES TO FOREIGN NATIONALS. WHOEVER ARRIVES IN THE WHITE HOUSE MUST HOLD THE SOLID IDEALS OF THE TEA PARTY.

    “…GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE…”
    by President Abraham Lincoln, June 1, 1865

    We can no longer afford the expense of illegal entries, which have arrived here by the millions adding to the impoverished amongst the jobless Americans. This country is being handicapped on all levels of government, by the insistence from both political parties that we must support everyone who enters this country. The costs have spiraled to over 100 billion a year, with public assistance. Then again, nobody ever speaks about the billions of dollars that leaves this nation, from the illegal pay packets of workers spirited from the US to foreign financial institutions. That is money not going into our economy.

    Moreover funneling so much cash out of the United States (about $500 billion through banks and “regular” tracked wired transmission systems, plus over $500 billion in cash income to criminals such as illegal alien smugglers, drug cartels etc), illegal’s then collect various social services, welfare, food stamps, unpaid medical care, WIC, and more. Believe it or not, much of these government checks are picked up at Post offices boxes in other countries, including fraudulent child tax credits. India alone has retained its position as the highest beneficiary of global transmittal flow at $52 billion in 2008, the World Bank has said in a report. Then Mexicans remit about $24 BILLION a year (2007 figure) to its banks. This money should be going to our own poor, to elderly pensions and aid with running our hospitals and the education system. Investigate these references and sources for yourself, to see where money that is being used to appease foreign nationals.

    If Farmers and the agricultural giant corporations WANT labor from south of the border, then their hires must be registered, given full benefits through the farmers and business owners and be able to track them, like the authorities do in Mexico? American taxpayers should not be paying for the labor, such as health care and the education for all family members.

    Only the TEA PARTY has guaranteed to its millions of members that our immigration laws will be strictly held to the highest degree. The border must be our first line of protection against the criminals of every designation, and those who come here through the impaired fencing. E-Verify bill (H.R. 2885), recognized as the “Legal Workforce Act” can be the second line of defense for in-house audits, to siphon out foreign workers. A third line of defense is the patriotic American who informs ICE at of irregularities in all occupations at 1-866-DHS-2ICE (866-347-2423). SEE SOMETHING? DO SOMETHING?

    This does not mean just a laborer working for a greedy contractor, but even middle management in a factory. Also stand with Secure Communities that any individual who is processed in police custody, is fingerprinted and checked through ICE and homeland Security databases. American Patrol, a pro-sovereignty group hosts on its website, a daily headline from thousands of newspapers, dealing with corruption in politics and immigration. NumbersUSA has internal firsthand knowledge of Congressional happenings and immigration. Judicial Watch reveals the corruption in all Washington agencies, along with the same resonating in each states capitol.

    A federal judge’s resolution last week left Alabama’s strict new immigration law largely intact is already having a key impact throughout the state, as hundreds of children stayed away from school. The state’s anti-immigration law is now in effect, including a provision that requires schools to check the immigration status of students. My guess is that thousands of illegal families will be pursuing a new home, such as the Sanctuary state of California or any state where immigration laws are lax and remain unenforced. In California 7.5 million low income are on Medicaid (MediCAL), so how many of these people are illegal migrants and immigrants?

    One Old Vet saying, “Stand next to me and you’ll never stand alone.”

    MY EARLIER BLOGS: http://brittanicus-enoughisenough.blogspot.com

  26. Dave Francis, what is wrong with this simple solution, if we were really serious about solving the illegal immigration problem? Simply enforce the law on those who employ illegals; thus, no jobs, no immigrants. The truth is, this will never happen. Instead there will continue to be calls for border walls and better border surveilance, which is an impossible solution, considering the thousands and thousands miles of borders and shorelines we have.

  27. Perry wrote:

    Again, I remind you, President Obama’s achievements have been significant. Try as you may, you cannot deny these facts, else further reduce your own credibility. Since you are so impressed with former President Bush, perhaps you can provide a list of his accomplishments. Be careful, now, not to embarrass yourself again, Dana.

    If President Obama’s achievements are so “significant,” why don’t people think he’s achieved much or has been a good President?

    That, you see, is the one big problem, the elephant in your room, whenever you tell us just how great and successful Mr Obama has been: the public don’t believe it! The simple fact is that the man is simply not up to the job.

  28. But it is cute how someone with zero credibility accuses Dana of having reduced his own credibility — in the mind of someone who has zero credibility. Bless Perry’s heart.

  29. WHO GET’S PRESIDENT OBAMA’S ‘CONSTRUCTION’ JOBS?

    Here are the U.S. Representatives currently blocking Legislative faction on the Legal Workforce Act that requires all employers to use E-Verify, to fire illegal aliens who already are working for them: This is the time to hit hard the phones, e-mail to these lawmakers who include:

    • Speaker of the House Boehner (Ohio)
    • House Majority Leader Cantor (Virginia)
    • House Majority Whip McCarthy (California)
    • House Chairman of Ways & Means Committee Camp (Michigan)
    • Members of the Ways & Means Committee


    URGENTLY–Contact these House Representative and insist as a voter to your federal politician at 202-224-3121. Google ‘NumbersUSA’ web site that offers a free faxing system so you can directly contact the above mentioned politicians.

    These are the politicians who have ground to a halt Lamar Smith’s Legal Workforce Act (H.R. 2885) to ensure that these Republican leaders understand that IMMIGRATION IS A JOBS ISSUE and that H.R. 2885 IS a jobs bill. Inside personnel are picking up information this week in the Congress, which these GOP leaders currently plan to keep the Legal Workforce Act (H.R. 2885) from a House floor vote this fall. The GOP professes to want jobs for American Workers, then why may you ask are they are holding back on a crucial piece of legislation? Somewhere in our nation are up to 8 million employed illegal aliens, which should be in the hands of ordinary U.S. citizens and lawful residents.

    WE MUST KEEP ECONOMIC ILLEGAL MIGRANTS AND IMMIGRANTS OUT OF AMERICA. SUCH STATES AS ARIZONA, ALABAMA, GEORGIA AND TO A DEGREE UTAH, ARE THE FIRST STATES TO ENACT DRACONIAN POLICING LAWS, AS THE—ONLY—WAY—TO SAVE THEIR RESIDENTS BEING FORCED BY THE COURTS TO SUPPORT THESE PEOPLE WITH WELFARE AND OTHER PUBLIC ASSISTANCE.

    Our schools have been flooded with the children of illegal parents. Our hospitals are flooded with illegal alien families. The law says we must educate and give treatment to every sick person no matter their immigration status. But Alabama policing law shows evidence that thousands of illegal aliens are fleeing to other states, however by instituting Rep. Smith mandatory Legal Workforce Act, which includes unfettered audits of company’s jobs for illegal foreigners will collapse. Unable to get a job, the exodus will begin and American Workers will replace them.

    President Obama news conference today talked specifically about Construction jobs for repairing bridges, roads and other infrastructure, but it’s without doubt that many disreputable Contractors use illegal cheap labor. They see no wrong in hiring foreign nationals, then making honest Contractors and sub-Contractors having to compete with lower bidding on jobs without any conscious to the consequences. In any local community across the country illegal aliens are being hired instead of the legal population as roofers, framers and hundreds of other occupations, even to assist in professional jobs as electricians, plumbers and not just for manual labor. This is just but the tip of the iceberg, as within your hometown illegal workers are grouping around such locations as ‘Home Depot’ and day labor centers. They are in our factories, offices and hundreds of manufacturing companies, without any risk of detection. The mandatory Legal Workforce Act (H.R. 2885) will guarantee overtime the reduction of the illegal immigrant workforce by implementing revised E-Verify. Only the special interest lobbyists and open borders organizations who are criticizing the Legal Workforce Act (H.R. 2885), Their interest are governed by financial gain, from illegal cheap labor or more voting power in 2012.

    No jobs bill in Congress will move so many unemployed Americans so quickly into jobs as will the Legal Workforce Act. If Republicans are serious about jobs, they will pass the Legal Workforce Act this fall and put millions of jobless Americans back to work. Republicans have been in charge of the House for nine months and have done nothing to move illegal aliens out of 7 million non-agricultural jobs. The GOP leadership’s keeping the Legal Workforce Act from the House floor for a vote suggests that Pres. Obama is right about House Republicans being a “do-nothing Congress.” House leaders have been back in town and need to get a strong reality check the rest of this week that Americans anticipate them to stop the national humiliation of forcing millions of Americans into unemployment because of the federal government’s rebuttal to require verification at the workplace. Only the TEA PARTY leadership–the majority of average people will never allow another Amnesty passage through Congress, or any clandestine Immigration Reform laws.

    One Old Vet saying, “Stand next to me and you’ll never stand alone.”

    MY EARLIER BLOGS: http://brittanicus-enoughisenough.blogspot.com

  30. MAKE YOUR VOICE KNOWN TODAY OR (THIS WEEK) ON E-VERIFY

    JOBS–the economy has everything to do with illegal immigration, and as more and more of these unfortunate people pour in from the borders or from across the world. The expenditure will keep rising for every US taxpayer, until Congress does something about it; it does no-way mean amnesty. We have the resources to stop this massive invasion, but neither party has relentlessly pursued it. President Obama had great intentions for a while, than fell off in the wrong direction. Only the TEA PARTY lawmakers in straw polls have openly spoke about the financial ramifications, while main GOP members remain silent, as do the Democrats. With 20 million citizens out of work, we as citizens and legal residents must insure that our borders are sealed and that internal enforcement is substantial. There are numerous laws moving through Congress, but the “Legal Workforce Act” has the power to slowly but surely drive the foreign workers out of the jobs, meant for our own people.

    The Immigration Control and Reform Act (IRCA) mandates procedures for business owners to verify the employment eligibility of their workforce, but since the 1986 law it has loosely applied until our prior president George H.W. Bush implemented Pilot program called E-Verify in October 1991. The Congressional authorization for the E-Verify electronic employment eligibility confirmation for employees was to expire on November 1, 2008. Republican Senator Jeff Sessions introduced an amendment in 2009 that would have made E-Verify permanent and mandatory for all construction companies, although Senator Harry Reid did would not allow the bill to come up for a vote. Reid’s contention was, “We need to do comprehensive immigration reform. We cannot do it piecemeal,” In July 2010 a reporter In Las Vegas said, “When you go to the unemployment office there’s many U.S. citizens who are unemployed–construction workers and they don’t have jobs because right now, some of those construction companies find it easier to hire undocumented workers.”

    If President Obama’s “Job Stimulus” had passed in the Senate yesterday, one of its sections was the “Construction” projects. So who are the jobs going to, without the guarantee that Contractors and sub-contractors are going to hire labor—Americans and Green Card Recipients? Without federal programs as the policing LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT” Secure Communities, the 287 (G) unethical employers can still bypass immigration laws and they will for more profit. This is the equivalent circumstances of any company, which includes Farmers and the agrarian industries who are cheating US workers of jobs. We can remove illegal alien criminals and so called law abiding illegal’s at the same time?

    Rep. Lamar Smiths “LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT” (H.R. 2885) HELP THE WORKING AMERICANS AND STOP THESE TRAVESTIES OF OUR LAWS. E-Verify will be a very successful supplement to stopping the illegality of people with foreign status from taking jobs.

    The website NumbersUSA is the only outspoken, pro-sovereignty group, which identifies the grading records on a chart that is open to anybodies scrutiny. Below you can see next to every personage in the presidential election, their relative grade and the informational pressing issue of E-Verify.

    There are two things that the average American can do, is by adding pressure to mostly the adversity of certain politicians. These reluctant politicians must be bombarded with your calls and free faxes, compliments of NumbersUSA. Contact Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH); House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA); House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) ; House Chairman of Ways & Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI); & Members of the Ways & Means Committee. NEBRASKA, Rep. Berg, Rick (GOP) (202-225-2611) ; NEBRASKA, Rep. Smith, Adrian (GOP) (202-225-6435); LOUISIANA, Rep. Boustany, Charles (GOP) (202-225-2031); MICHIGAN, Rep. Camp, Dave (GOP) (202-225-3561) & (202-225-2031); KENTUCKY, Rep. Davis, Geoff (GOP) (202-225-3465); PENNSYLVANIA, Rep. Gerlach, Jim (GOP) (202-225-4315); KANSAS, Rep. Jenkins, Lynn (GOP)(202-225-6601); MINNESOTA, Rep. Paulsen, Erik (GOP)(202-225-2871); WASHINGTON, Rep. Reichert, Dave (GOP) (202-225-7761); WISCONSIN, Rep. Ryan, Paul (GOP) (202-225-3031) You can additionally contact your own local Senator or Representative or federal politician at 202-224-3121 and insist on E-Verify. Tell them that your voting will depend how you vote on E-Verify—NOW!

    At this present time Rick Perry (D-) endorsed E-Verify, but having his reservations, he also called building a 1,200-mile fence the length of the border “idiocy” If we don’t “secure the Border” America is not only open to economic aliens, but dangerous foreigners who will come here- to kill us. Mitt Romney (C-) at the Conservative Political Action Conference that he supports an E-Verify system, along with Herman Cain (C-) who has qualified himself as a true TEA PARTY member. Michele Bachman (B-), Tea Party chairman believes employers should be required to check the legal status of people they hire with E-Verify. Rep. Newt Gingrich (D-) has not spoken explicitly about E-Verify; he has suggested that credit card companies should run a worker-verification program. Jon Huntsman (D-) said he would consider a requirement that employers use the e-Verify system to check the documentation of workers to ensure they’re legally employable. Rick Santorum (F), called Mr. Perry “soft on illegal immigration” during the debate, in Orlando, Fla., and framed the issue as a burden to taxpayers. Gary Johnson (F) has also stated, “Enact an application and tracking procedure for guest workers, such as an e-verify system.” Finally Ron Paul (F), who has never answered how he stands on the Illegal alien alerter E-Verify, as he is more interested as it stands on Privacy rights.

    Attn: Not all of the thousands of TEA PARTY groups are of the same voice relating to the Presidential contenders. The ad being shown on TV is not the main definition of any particular candidate of any member yet? Not all TEA PARTY branches are supporting Governor of Texas Rick Perry. The TEA PARTY—is the American people—of every color, race and religious faith. Everybody qualifies to be a member, as long it entered the United States legally. THE TEA PARTY stands with Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina and other state policing laws, to save these individual states—ECONOMIC –illegal migrants and immigrants expenditures forced on them by unfunded mandates. The Tea Party will battle against any amnesties or any illegal immigration covert programs.

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