TEA Party Leader Calls For Crowd To Take The Unions Out UPDATE: “Resign”

And President Bush said he was proud of the TEA Party leader.

Oops, I got the story wrong.

James Hoffa, the Teamster leader told a Labor rally in Michigan “We need to take these tea party sons of bitches out” and President Obama just chilled, then praised James Hoffa. That’s Democrat civility for you, right there. Telling a crowd to “take out” political opponents, Teamster style.

There’s a reason why Teamsters is synonymous to Organized Crime. And it’s not the average Teamster union worker. It’s the Teamsters leadership. It’s the Hoffa clan. There are who knows how many Teamsters who don’t even want to be teamsters. I know. I was forced to be a Teamster twice, just to keep my job. If it weren’t for feeding my family, I would never have signed the piece of paper allowing the Teamsters to steal money from my paycheck.

But when the Teamster leader, who makes 300k off of union dues the lowly workers pay, stands in front of a crowd and uses extraordinarily violent and hate-filled rhetoric and the President — who demanded civility out of his opponents — is thankful to him? And the Left wonders why we Conservatives don’t climb into bed with them and help destroy this country. Sorry, Liberals. There is a large grass-roots mass of people who refuse to show signs of battered wife syndrome, to your utter shock and dismay.

But it didn’t just stop with crime boss and Teamster leader James Hoffa and his Obama stooge. No, Joe Biden chimed in as well, at an AFL-CIO rally. “You are the only folks keeping the barbarians from the gates.”

UPDATE:
A Rockford, Illinois TEA Party leader calls for James Hoffa to resign. From the Daily Caller via Hot Air Headlines:

After Teamsters union president Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. called for a “war” against Republicans and tea partiers on Monday, one tea party group is calling for the union leader to resign.

“Calls to violence can never be acceptable in this civil society,” the Rockford, Illinois tea party group said in a statement. “Hoffa’s remarks were made in an introduction to Obama speaking to Auto Workers and Unions in Detroit and this sort of angry, hateful, call to violence should be repudiated by the President with a call from the President to ask Hoffa to resign his very public position of influence.”

The Rockford tea party called Hoffa’s comments “incendiary and dangerous.”

“If even one member of the Tea Party is harmed by anyone after Hoffa’s call to violence, then Hoffa should be held accountable by the Justice System and Charged appropriately,” the group said.

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78 Comments

  1. “Surely you realize, by now, that it’s only incivility when a Republican says it.”

    Well the Republicans on here almost have a monopoly on incivility, but some of the Dems get called out for it.

    But that’s not the important point, the important point to think about on this Labor Day is how in just three decades the American middle class decline has accelerated because of the Republican Machiavellian thrust for power. To combat them, here are some marching orders:

    “It all began on this day, 30 years ago. One of the darkest days in American history. And we let it happen to us. Yes, they had the money, and the media and the cops. But we had 200 million of us. Ever wonder what it would look like if 200 million got truly upset and wanted their country, their life, their job, their weekend, their time with their kids back?

    Have we all just given up? What are we waiting for? Forget about the 20% who support the Tea Party — we are the other 80%! This decline will only end when we demand it. And not through an online petition or a tweet. We are going to have to turn the TV and the computer and the video games off and get out in the streets (like they’ve done in Wisconsin). Some of you need to run for local office next year. We need to demand that the Democrats either get a spine and stop taking corporate money — or step aside.

    When is enough, enough? The middle class dream will not just magically reappear. Wall Street’s plan is clear: America is to be a nation of Haves and Have Nothings. Is that OK for you?

    Why not use today to pause and think about the little steps you can take to turn this around in your neighborhood, at your workplace, in your school? Is there any better day to start than today?”

  2. Patterico wrote:

    It’s important for conservatives who highlight this kind of talk to emphasize why we’re doing it. We’re not whining about the talk. This is standard tough-guy political talk. Target him. Take him out. Wipe him off the map. Both sides say this kind of thing all the time.

    We point it out because the left tried to blame Sarah Palin for the shooting of Gabby Giffords, when all she did was engage in standard political rhetoric. Then, President Obama gave a speech that was widely praised by some. And while he didn’t echo the blamers, he didn’t denounce them either — and he took special care to wag his finger and cluck his tongue at the tough talkers:

    But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized—at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do—it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we’re talking with each other in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds.

    Yeah. Let’s talk in a way that heals. And take these sons of bitches out.

    So: go ahead, leftists. Talk tough. But we’ll remember this next time you bleat like a goat about how Republicans engage in violent talk.

  3. Perry quoted Meatloaf Moore:

    Have we all just given up? What are we waiting for? Forget about the 20% who support the Tea Party — we are the other 80%!

    Amazing how that 20% support managed to turn a huge Democratic majority into a large Republican majority in the House of Representatives, turn over several state legislative chambers and gubernatorial seats. Why, it’s almost as if Mr Moore underestimated how many people support the goals of the TEA party.

  4. In fairness to Mr. Hoffa, the full quote is less damning:

    Everybody here has a vote. If we go back and we keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.

    Syntactically awkward, perhaps, but it’s pretty clear he’s referring to taking someone out via voting, here.

    What’s most interesting about this issue is how starkly it demonstrates the venality of the modern political culture. It’s not that long ago that liberals were up in arms about Palin’s gun-crosshair mailer, and conservatives were defending it as not a big deal. It’s as if someone, somewhere shouted “SWITCH!” and all the partisans scurried to opposite sides of the debate.

  5. On the contrary, Jeff — conservatives are making a big deal about this precisely because the Left demanded more “civility” in political discourse. I seriously doubt most conservatives took Hoffa literally. Then again, who’da thought that “progressives” would have taken Palin’s crosshair ad so literally …

  6. Jeff, do note how I set up this article. Also, do note Dana’s quote from Patterico. The “SWITCH” isn’t nearly so loud when you take those points into consideration.

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  8. Dear Jimmie ad friends – bring it. The American voter is going to kick your collective ass on election day 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016…you get the picture.

  9. Hitchcock, Hube – that’s exactly why calls for “civility” from anyone are baloney. Colorful rhetoric has been a part of politics since the time of Adams and Jefferson. It’s just easier to gin up the fake outrage machine than it is to make an actual argument, so we get into this cycle of “you’re uncivil!” “No, YOU’RE uncivil!” as if that means a cotton-pickin’ thing.

  10. President Obama just chilled, then praised James Hoffa. James Hoffa, the Teamster leader told a Labor rally in Michigan “We need to take these tea party sons of bitches out”.

    Which shouldn’t be difficult considering most of them are obese, Ryan’s Steakhouse attendees buzzing along at two miles per hour on Medicare subsidized mobility scooters and who pin their patriotic credentials on joining ROTC back in college to avoid the draft. Large, slow-moving objects that make a lot of noise are an easy target!

  11. People have a right to protect themselves from criminals like Richard Poplawski, Byron Williams, Jim David Adkisson, Eric Rudolph, Michael Griffin, James Kopp, or Bruce Turnidge. If some couch-potato Teabaggers get upset at some violent rhetoric let them dirty their Depends. It’s the language, imagery and, too often, the action they encourage and trade in.

  12. mike g, you’re a slow-on-the-uptake moron, but that’s just stating the obvious. Your outrageous false-meme stereotyping, ad hominem throwing, homoerotic fantasies just give more proof what Iowa Liberal — and in fact ALL radical Leftists — are all about. You can continue your prepubescent war against logic all you want while we continue our progressive work to pull America out of the abyss of Socialism and return it to the Constitutional Republic our Founders and Framers built.

  13. Lessee right-wingers actually curb-stomp liberal protesters, Hoaguie calls for the genocide of 1.5 billion people – and the w1ngnuts here are trying to paint this as unacceptably violent rhetoric?

    Oh, you poor, poooooor babies. It must be so horrible always being the victims of those big bad union members. Do you want Mummy to kiss it better and make the nasty men go away?

  14. And, as it turns out, it’s another l1e dreamed up by Fox.

    Why is it that whenever a right-wing source dreams up a lie, CSPT has it’s very own Perpetual Buffoon jh to parrot it?

    Fox Doctors Hoffa Speech To Fabricate Call For Violence
    [...]
    During the segment that the bloggers have latched onto, Fox edited out the bolded portion of Hoffa’s comments:

    HOFFA: Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

    Go and play the video – FOX DELETED THOSE OPENING WORDS.

    And, of course, the most lying and deceitful piece of sh1t found on this blog repeated the lie.

    [inoperative link fixed - pH]

  15. And the other lie is Fox’s claim that they are “Fair and Balanced”!

    Now that the truth is known, let us see if Hitchcock retracts his false allegation, now that he knows that it is false.

  16. Now that the truth is known, let us see if Hitchcock retracts his false allegation, now that he knows that it is false.

    The full quote doesn’t change the tone of the hate words, Perry. Nevertheless, if you were so concerned about suspicious editing, you’d be busy writing letters to MSNBC everyday as they do it all the time.

    But don’t misunderstand — conservatives aren’t really concerned that Hoffa was calling for actual violence. They’re pissed off at the blatant hypocrisy that began with the Giffords shooting and the call (by liberals) for more “civility.” That was a joke. Those calls were only meant to silence the Right.

  17. “Those calls were only meant to silence the Right.”

    Right, Hube, but the contemporary Rightie is well known for their incivility, as is well replicated on this blog.

    But you divert, because the point made was Fox’s purposeful misleading omission of part of Hoffa’s statement. They do this kind of thing all the time. And note how quickly Drudge, Breitbart and the Rightie gang ran with it. Anything controversial emanating from Fox News has to be fact checked immediately before any credibility can be granted. Same thing with Limbaugh and the rest of the Rightie propagandists, on here too.

    I note that Hitchcock has yet to come on here with a retraction. Assuming that he is working, or otherwise distracted by necessities, I will patiently wait until tomorrow morning, knowing I will be on here then, making note of his continued refusal to retract his false allegation against Hoffa.

  18. Right, Hube, but the contemporary Rightie is well known for their incivility, as is well replicated on this blog.

    Uh huh. No forgetting Phoe, Wheeler and yourself, of course.

    But you divert, because the point made was Fox’s purposeful misleading omission of part of Hoffa’s statement. They do this kind of thing all the time.

    Citation please! And it’s no diversion; in fact, it’s entirely relevant to point out that Fox’s ideological counter, MSNBC, does it at least as often, or, if you prefer, “all the time.” As do other MSM outlets, though perhaps not as often.

    Nonetheless, you and your “progressive” brethren have no one to blame but yourselves for the Right waiting to jump on things like Hoffa’s statement. You made the demands for “more civility,” and extended them to purely innocuous things like a standard “gunsight” political ad which both sides had routinely used.

    I note that Hitchcock has yet to come on here with a retraction. Assuming that he is working, or otherwise distracted by necessities, I will patiently wait until tomorrow morning, knowing I will be on here then, making note of his continued refusal to retract his false allegation against Hoffa.

    How does the inclusion about “voting” substantively change Hoffa’s statement? What insinuation does “take ‘em out” have, then? Why did he not say “vote ‘em out” if that’s what he really meant?

    Maybe Hitch will retract his allegation after you and your fellow acolytes retract all your false allegations regarding talk radio being responsible for people like Jared Loughner, et. al. Fair enough?

  19. Right, Hube, but the contemporary Rightie is well known for their incivility, as is well replicated on this blog.

    Uh huh. No forgetting Phoe, Wheeler and yourself, of course.

    But you divert, because the point made was Fox’s purposeful misleading omission of part of Hoffa’s statement. They do this kind of thing all the time.

    Citation please! And it’s no diversion; in fact, it’s entirely relevant to point out that Fox’s ideological counter, MSNBC, does it at least as often, or, if you prefer, “all the time.” As do other MSM outlets, though perhaps not as often.

    Here’s the citation that puts the lie to Fox News reporting on the Hoffa speech.

    Moreover, assuming that MSNBC does lie, that means it’s OK for Fox to lie; is that your point? Some moral principles you have, Hube.

    Moreover, as I said in my previous post, the burden is on you to prove your allegation, so go to it Hube!

  20. Perry wants a retraction? Is that what happens when the bolt carriage assembly shrinks the spring into the rifle stock? Is the spring retracting?

    Hey, Perry. Why don’t you read my actual article before you spout your gap-building radical Leftist paranoiac rantings? Wait. You do know how to read, don’t you?

  21. Here’s the citation that puts the lie to Fox News reporting on the Hoffa speech.

    No, you claimed about Fox that “They do this kind of thing all the time.” What does “all the time” mean? I’ll be generous and take it to mean “once per day.” Now, cite that, Fossil.

    Moreover, assuming that MSNBC does lie, that means it’s OK for Fox to lie; is that your point? Some moral principles you have, Hube.

    Nice, a lecture about morality from a Hamas sympathizer and one who would lobby against capital punishment but not abortion. This is like Stalin lecturing Pol Pot on the evils of collectivism. Nevertheless, considering how often you’ve cited MSNBC talking heads as legitimate sources of political news, I’d gather you’d be upset about their editorial shenanigans. But you’re not. Which means — AGAIN! — you’re a ridiculous hypocrite.

    Moreover, as I said in my previous post, the burden is on you to prove your allegation, so go to it Hube!

    *Sigh* Been there, done that, more than quite a few times. If you choose to forget/toss aside the cites, that’s on you. But your usual “do it again” game is as old as you are, Fossil.

    Here’s but one (recent) example to chew on, Fossil. Plenty more where that came from. That you believe MSNBC is somehow more ethical than Fox is merely further evidence that you’re a dogmatic mental pygmy, not to mention a charlatan gap-bridger.

  22. The full quote doesn’t change the tone of the hate words, Perry.

    Those facts again:]

    HOFFA: “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!”

    edited down to

    “Let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!”

    And Hube thinks the full quote doesn’t change things?

    Nonetheless, you and your “progressive” brethren have no one to blame but yourselves for the Right waiting to jump on things like Hoffa’s statement.

    How exactly is it the fault of liberals that the American right-wing – and especially the Teabaggers – are a bunch of lying scum who routinely distort other people’s words in order to try playing the victim?

  23. Oh, and anyone who takes “The Daily Show” seriously gets laughed at by none other than the face of “The Daily Show” himself, on more than one occasion. Hate to break it to you, Perry, but “The Daily Show” is a comedy news-skit show, kinda like Saturday Night Live meets 60 Minutes, but only much worse.

  24. Nevertheless, if you were so concerned about suspicious editing, you’d be busy writing letters to MSNBC everyday as they do it all the time

    Provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    You can’t, because you’re a l1ar.

  25. Oh, and anyone who takes “The Daily Show” seriously gets laughed at by none other than the face of “The Daily Show” himself, on more than one occasion. Hate to break it to you, Perry, but “The Daily Show” is a comedy news-skit show, kinda like Saturday Night Live meets 60 Minutes, but only much worse.

    So says someone whose only intellectual activity is repeating l1es from Fox News uncritically, even when Fox is shown to l1e again and again – without ever showing any critical ability.

  26. Hey, did you hear about the lying scum who routinely distorts other people’s words? He happens to be a Socialist living in New Zealand who goes online to lie and distort other people’s words while New Zealand’s taxpayers are paying him to do something completely different. He even lied and distorted other people’s words right here in this thread.

  27. Provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    LOL! How about you provide three cites of Fox splicing two millimeters of videotape using standard left-handed scissors. You can’t, because you’re a liar.

    Fucktard.

    Nevertheless, one selective edit is above. Here’s another. And here’s #3.

    Game. Set. Match.

  28. How about how PMSNBC went on a rampaging rant about those “raaaaacist” gun-toters who toted rifles in public in a crowd like the “white” guy they focused in real tight on who had a rifle strapped to his back? How about the full shot showing the “white raaaaacist” was actually a black dude? How’s that for PMSNBC’s careful editing to lie another radical Leftist lie?

  29. HOFFA: “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!”

    edited down to

    “Let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!”

    And Hube thinks the full quote doesn’t change things?

    Then why didn’t Hoffa say “let’s VOTE the son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!”??

    I’ll admit the full quote changes things … very little.

    But I reiterate what I said here:

    But don’t misunderstand — conservatives aren’t really concerned that Hoffa was calling for actual violence. They’re pissed off at the blatant hypocrisy that began with the Giffords shooting and the call (by liberals) for more “civility.” That was a joke. Those calls were only meant to silence the Right.

  30. Your quote: “Nevertheless, if you were so concerned about suspicious editing, you’d be busy writing letters to MSNBC everyday as they do it all the time”

    Provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    You have provided one. But you claimed they did it “all the time”. Provide three.

    You can’t, because you’re a l1ar.

  31. Then why didn’t Hoffa say “let’s VOTE the son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!”??

    You mean apart from the teeny tiny little fact that that’s what Hoffa’s full quote means in context?

    Why, I guess it’s because he didn’t realise Fx News would come along and snip it in two, pass it off as something else, and lying teabaggers would start screaming and whining about it.

  32. You have provided one. But you claimed they did it “all the time”. Provide three.

    You can’t, because you’re a l1ar.

    I provided three per your challenge. You’re the liar. The liar who’s been beaten. Again.

  33. Here’s Rachel Maddow lying through her teeth and plenty of proof of it, if you’re even willing to watch, Perry. Do you have the guts to watch Rachel Maddow getting slaughtered with proof of her on-air lying?

  34. I provided three per your challenge

    You were asked to provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    You have not.

    You are lying. Again.

  35. You mean apart from the teeny tiny little fact that that’s what Hoffa’s full quote means in context?

    Oh, golly gee, that’s just too bad, ain’t it? So, full/actual context is important to you know, Maori-Hater? So Sarah Palin’s gunsight ad’s real context was voting out a political opponent, wasn’t it? Yet that’s not what the Left screamed, was it, you hypocrite little POS, hmm?

  36. You were asked to provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    And I asked you to provide three cites of Fox splicing two millimeters of videotape using standard left-handed scissors. You have not. because you’re a liar.

    I provided concrete evidence of MSNBC selectively editing video/quotes so as to make them appear to be something they were not. Which is precisely what you are complaining that FNC did. That they did not (all) “cut a sentence in half” is completely irrelevant. See the splice comment above.

    Game. Set. Match.

    You lose. Again.

  37. You were asked to provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    And I asked you to provide three cites of Fox splicing two millimeters of videotape using standard left-handed scissors.

    Irrelevant. Fox News lied not be editing video tape, but by editing video tape to the point of manufacturing a quote by cutting the full sentence in half.

    You claimed MSNBC did it all the time.

    You were asked to provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    You have not. And everyone can see you trying to dance away by pointing at the mere existence of video editing as some sort of counter.

    You are lying. Again.

  38. And everyone can see you trying to dance away by pointing at the mere existence of video editing as some sort of counter.

    And I asked you to provide three cites of Fox splicing two millimeters of videotape using standard left-handed scissors.

    Game.
    Set.

    Match.

    It hurts, I know.

  39. I have to say it’s cute to see the rabid Leftists squealing like stuck pigs. “It’s the context that matters” they squeal when a rabid Leftist says “take these tea party sons of bitches out” or when another rabid Leftist and total moron who happens to be Vice President says “you are the only folks keeping the barbarians from the gates” or when another rabid Leftist and absolute Socialist who happens to be President says “they bring a knife, you bring a gun”. But when a Conservative uses standard issue symbolism that even Liberals use, such as a “gun sight” which happens to actually be a surveyor’s symbol, or say something like “don’t retreat, reload”, those selfsame radical Leftists squeal “context doesn’t matter! It’s the words they use and the symbols they use (even though we do the same thing but shhhh) that matter!”

    It sure is fun to see how totally incapable the rabid Leftists are in the field of self-awareness. Those rabid Leftists sure do have a habit of leaving the irony on and of being hyper-thin-skinned and of being totally ignorant buffoons. They should learn a thing or three from the semi-sane Leftist Jeff, who commented a couple times in this thread. But I highly doubt the rabid Leftists around these parts are capable of enough self-awareness to learn anything.

  40. The lying, context-ignoring Socialist book putter backer from New Zealand, who constantly distorts what Conservatives say in order to maliciously attack Conservatives is such a joke that even some rabid Leftist sites mock him. But that’s okay. He spends much of his online time using taxpayer-paid internet while he’s on the clock, getting a taxpayer-paid income for doing personal business on government time. So we already know his standards cannot climb out of the toilet.

  41. I have to say it’s cute to see the rabid Leftists squealing like stuck pigs.

    Nah, just pointing out that you’re l1ars, and Hube is unable to back up his words.

    We win again.

  42. And I asked you to provide three cites of Fox splicing two millimeters of videotape using standard left-handed scissors.

    Can’t be bothered, since it is irrelevant – I never made any statement regarding editing.

    Fox News lied not be editing video tape, but by editing video tape to the point of manufacturing a quote by cutting the full sentence in half.

    You claimed MSNBC did it all the time.

    You were asked to provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    You have not. And everyone can see you trying to dance away by pointing at the mere existence of video editing as some sort of counter.

    You are lying. Again.

  43. You were asked to provide three cites of the MSNBC editing a quote to the point of cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.

    Right. I just provided 3 (4 if you count the Media Matters bit) examples of MSNBC selectively editing videos to give a completely erroneous impression and/or completely change the context of what was said.

    Only complete Neanderthals like yourself go “nyah nyah” because it doesn’t fit your own necessary standard of “cutting a sentence in half in order to distort it.”

    Again, I asked you to provide three cites of Fox splicing two millimeters of videotape using standard left-handed scissors. Can’t do it? NYAH NYAH.

    Game.
    Set.

    Match.

  44. “We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be one winner. It’s going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We’re going to win that war,” Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

    “President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let’s take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” Hoffa added.

    That’s Hoffa’s entire money quote. The money lines so to speak. In this quote he refers to “war” five times, “battle” once, “like(ing) a good fight” once, they being Obama’s “army” once THEN follows with the “Let’s thake these son of bitches out” part. There is no mention of voting anywhere in this quote.

    Now you moonbats can do your usual twisting and turning, we love the show.

  45. Democratic Hysteria:

    “BERKELEY – In the political impasses that recently paralyzed the world’s two largest democracies, India and the United States, both countries’ usually clear-sighted leaders, to paraphrase William Butler Yeats, lacked all conviction, while the misguided and the shallow were full of passionate intensity. Indeed, that passion shows little sign of waning.

    Pranab Bardhan’s point in this piece, well worth the read, is well demonstrated by the views of the “misguided and shallow” that we see on a daily basis in the Rightie regulars who post on this blog. God forbid that they should prevail in November 2012!

  46. America’s Self-Inflicted Decline:

    “MELBOURNE – If the broad post-World War II prosperity that has endured for six decades comes to an end, both the United States and Europe will be responsible. With rare exceptions, politics has become a discredited profession throughout the West. Tomorrow is always treated as more important than next week, and next week prevails over next year, with no one seeking to secure the long-term future. Now the West is paying the price.

    President Barack Obama’s instincts may be an exception here, but he is fighting powerful hidebound forces in the United States, as well as a demagogic populism, in the form of the Tea Party, that is far worse – and that might defeat him in 2012, seriously damaging America in the process.

    America’s friends around the world watched with dismay the recent brawl in over raising the federal government’s debt ceiling, and the US Congress’s inability to come to anything like a balanced and forward-looking compromise. On the contrary, the outcome represents a significant victory for the Tea Party’s minions, whose purpose seems to be to reduce government obligations and expenditures to a bare minimum (some object even to having a central bank), and to maintain President George W. Bush’s outrageous tax breaks for the wealthy.

    America’s current fiscal problems are rooted in a long period of unfunded spending. Bush’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the manner in which he conducted the “global war on terror” made matters much worse, contributing to a totally unsustainable situation. Indeed, Obama inherited an almost impossible legacy.”

    Please tell me that Malcolm Fraser is wrong here. Never mind, if you are honest about it, you cannot! The problem is, the typical Rightie on this blog is NOT honest about it, yet their dysfunction might well prevail politically. We who understand must put an end to it as of November, 2012! This is really, really critical!!!

  47. Perry quotes people he hopes sound moderate, but this paragraph reveals their biases:

    America’s friends around the world watched with dismay the recent brawl in over raising the federal government’s debt ceiling, and the US Congress’s inability to come to anything like a balanced and forward-looking compromise. On the contrary, the outcome represents a significant victory for the Tea Party’s minions, whose purpose seems to be to reduce government obligations and expenditures to a bare minimum (some object even to having a central bank), and to maintain President George W. Bush’s outrageous tax breaks for the wealthy.

    As soon as you see a clause like the one I boldfaced, you know it’s coming from the political left. And when you read things like “a balanced and forward-looking compromise,” you know that you are reading someone from the so-called “progressive” side.

    But he’s right about one thing: it really is the conservatives’ purpose “to reduce government obligations and expenditures to a bare minimum.” It is our “long period of unfunded spending” which has gotten us into this mess, and the best way out of that is to stop spending money we do not have.

    To me, at least, “forward-looking” means doing things differently from what got you into problems in the past; your “solutions” are all backward-looking, all just more spending and spending, when that is what got us into this mess in the first place; why would you ever expect continuing to do what caused so many of our problems to be the solution?

    Perry wrote himself:

    The problem is, the typical Rightie on this blog is NOT honest about it, yet their dysfunction might well prevail politically. We who understand must put an end to it as of November, 2012! This is really, really critical!!!

    Well, you’ll certainly have your chance, in a free and fair — at least, fair outside of the Democrat-controlled big cities — election. Please, feel free to take your case to the people!

  48. Hube, you behave like a child most of the time, like here!

    Spoken like a “guy” who’s been made the fool. Again and again and again.

  49. Oh, and notice — not a word from Perry about meeting his demands about MSNBC. Of course. Can’t upset his ingrained dogma that Fox News is evil incarnate while his beloved network is akin to the Second Coming.

  50. “Spoken like a “guy” who’s been made the fool. Again and again and again.”

    The fool is you, Hube, self made. Get help!

    And yes, MSNBC is somewhat biased, but not liars, and willing to admit when they make mistakes. Fox does not make mistakes, they lie, on a daily basis! Like you do Hube?

    Here, take a closer look this time!

  51. And yes, MSNBC is somewhat biased, but not liars, and willing to admit when they make mistakes. Fox does not make mistakes, they lie, on a daily basis! Like you do Hube?

    Citation please! Show me where Fox lies on a daily basis and that they do not make corrections when they err. Obviously you do not watch “Special Report” at 6pm where they make corrections/updates often on past errors/omissions.

    So, IOW, you’re just like just about every other faux “progressive” who doesn’t actually watch or listen, but relies on the moonbat blogs to tell them what’s on.

  52. I saw your list already. I provided numerous instances that show MSNBC is no different. That you choose to ignore them is on you, and shows — again — you’re no “gap-bridger,” but an ingrained dogmatist masquerading as a uniter.

  53. “…, and to maintain President George W. Bush’s outrageous tax breaks for the wealthy.

    Are you trying to tell me that that statement is not true, Dana. You really are delusional. And this was done while avoiding paying for a war, then another war, then Medicare Part D. What in hell were the Repubs thinking? What in hell were you thinking, Dana? Now, even with the benefit of hindsight, you stick to your ideology instead of reality. Like I said, you are truly delusional!

  54. “… you’re no “gap-bridger,” but an ingrained dogmatist masquerading as a uniter.”

    Almost impossible it is to be a gap bridger with a very stubborn ideologue like you, Hube, one who, like his fellow tea partyers, has forgotten what the word ‘compromise’ means, let alone how to do it; but I shall keep trying!

  55. Almost impossible it is to be a gap bridger with a very stubborn ideologue like you, Hube, one who, like his fellow tea partyers, has forgotten what the word ‘compromise’ means, let alone how to do it; but I shall keep trying!

    Yeah, right. As an example I’m in here in this thread agreeing that Fox at times edits clips and is less than honest at times … but also claiming that they’re hardly alone in that regard. OTOH, you believe — despite all evidence to the contrary — that Fox is Satan incarnate and that its competitors behave “mildly” in comparison.

    IOW, I’m much more the gap-bridger than you. Actions speak louder than words, the old adage says. I live it; you fake it.

  56. Hoffa responds, but the Tea Party continues their lie and pontifications, Sarah included!

    “”We’re tired of seeing good-paying jobs shipped overseas. This fight is about the economy, it’s about jobs and it’s about rebuilding America,” Hoffa said. “As I said yesterday in Detroit, we all have to vote in order to take these anti-worker politicians out of office.”

    Hoffa said his entire speech shows he was “referring to voting out the Tea Party politicians in 2012, not inciting violence against members of Tea Party organizations.”

    Speaking onstage before the president arrived at a Labor Day rally Monday, he stressed the importance of creating American jobs and in part blamed members of the tea party movement for stalling action in Washington.

    “President Obama, we want one thing, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. That is what we are going to tell him,” Hoffa said. “And when he sees what we are doing here, he will be inspired. But he needs help and you know what, everybody here has got a vote. If we go back and we keep the eye on the prize. Let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.”

    The Tea Party Express quickly responded to the comments in an email to supporters and Chairwoman Amy Kremer told CNN Tuesday the comments were “disgraceful.”

    “This is essentially calling for violence,” Kremer said on CNN “Newsroom.” “Anybody that says let’s ‘take out these SOBs,’ that is absurd and not the language we should be using when we’re having these conversations.”

    Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin took to her Facebook page to criticize the comments as “outrageously wrong.”"

  57. “OTOH, you believe — despite all evidence to the contrary — that Fox is Satan incarnate and that its competitors behave “mildly” in comparison.”

    Don’t assume or embellish things about me, Hube, as is your wont. Quote me, in context, then we can talk.

    “IOW, I’m much more the gap-bridger than you. Actions speak louder than words, the old adage says. I live it; you fake it.”

    Really? Is that a fact? I hope you will make reality your current fantasy. To help, get help!

    I produced Jon Stewart’s long list, and you dismiss it with this: “I provided numerous instances that show MSNBC is no different.” Oh really! So far, I’ve seen three. I guess that counts as ‘numerous’ by one who constantly stretches points into ‘Hube’s universal truths’. You need to ask yourself the question why you consistently insult most who stand up to debate you, because that is exactly what you do do, consistently, Hitchcock as well!

  58. I produced Jon Stewart’s long list, and you dismiss it with this: “I provided numerous instances that show MSNBC is no different.” Oh really! So far, I’ve seen three. I guess that counts as ‘numerous’ by one who constantly stretches points into ‘Hube’s universal truths’. You need to ask yourself the question why you consistently insult most who stand up to debate you, because that is exactly what you do do, consistently, Hitchcock as well!

    Oh golly! Perry “only saw three!” (It’s four, actually, if you count your beloved Media Matters’ selective edit as well.)

    I can go on and on, Perry. I got those three in about five minutes.

    And again — spare us the self-righteous indignation about “insults.” It’s beyond tired now. All you garner is guffaws when you bring that up.

    Really? Is that a fact? I hope you will make reality your current fantasy. To help, get help!

    It’s a lot more reality than your fantasy. Creating a blog with a misnamed title is talk, not actions. Your actions are strictly those of a partisan dogmatist. You’re a total fraud, Perry. You know it, and I know it.

  59. Satisfied yet, Perry? Because (to quote Matt Damon to John Malkovich in “Rounders”) I can go on busting you up all night!

  60. “And again — spare us the self-righteous indignation about “insults.” It’s beyond tired now. All you garner is guffaws when you bring that up.

    Really? Is that a fact? I hope you will make reality your current fantasy. To help, get help!

    It’s a lot more reality than your fantasy. Creating a blog with a misnamed title is talk, not actions. Your actions are strictly those of a partisan dogmatist. You’re a total fraud, Perry. You know it, and I know it.”

    And you are not a “partisan dogmatist”, Hube?

    Fraud, Hube? To one’s face, polite and congenial; on the internet, constant insults. Who really is the fraud, Hube? Get help with your obsessions, before they completely consume and ruin your life! I would say the same to Hitchcock.

  61. And you are not a “partisan dogmatist”, Hube?

    I’m not the one in here insisting just one cable news network is exclusively dishonest. You are.

    Fraud, Hube? To one’s face, polite and congenial; on the internet, constant insults.

    Uh huh. Once again, Pot, meet Kettle.

    Stop it already with the “but you insult people,” huh Perry? It’s beyond boring.

  62. “Satisfied yet, Perry? Because (to quote Matt Damon to John Malkovich in “Rounders”) I can go on busting you up all night!”

    I doubt it, though yes, it looks like Rachel Maddow made several mistakes. But I’ll put her seeking for the truth way out in front of the likes of O’Reilly and Hannity.

    And I guess your conclusion is that since Maddow has been found to be have been incorrect several times, why shouldn’t the Foxeys lie through their teeth day in and day out? When will Fox step up and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps? It’s about time they did do exactly that!

  63. “Stop it already with the “but you insult people,” huh Perry? It’s beyond boring.”

    Then stop insulting people, Hube. Can you do that?

  64. Perry, stop with your passive-aggressive bullshit. I really am tired of your shitting all over the place and then blaming everyone but you for your own shit being all over the walls. And if you want to boss people around, go over to your Gap-Building site and boss around the many dozens of people who visit that site each month.

  65. I doubt it, though yes, it looks like Rachel Maddow made several mistakes. But I’ll put her seeking for the truth way out in front of the likes of O’Reilly and Hannity.

    Of course you will. Ingrained dogmatists always believe what they want, despite the facts before them. And you dare to insult others here for not looking at facts? Hilarious!

    And I guess your conclusion is that since Maddow has been found to be have been incorrect several times, why shouldn’t the Foxeys lie through their teeth day in and day out?

    I’ve never said anything of the sort. But again you keep saying something you’ve not backed up one single iota — that FNC lies through their teeth day in and day out. This is your assertion, supposedly “backed up” by a Jon Stewart montage. Sorry, but if this is “proof,” then I’ve also proven that MSNBC lies through their teeth day in and day out.

    Then stop insulting people, Hube. Can you do that?

    Can you? I will if you will. I know you won’t, so don’t hold your breath about me.

  66. But again you keep saying something you’ve not backed up one single iota — that FNC lies through their teeth day in and day out.

    Uh-huh.

    Well, we all know that “truth” is a meaningless concept to you, Hube.

    As an example I’m in here in this thread agreeing that Fox at times edits clips and is less than honest at times …

    Riiiiiiiiight – then why were you not taking the Perpetual Buffoon jh to task for running with something that was a blatant lie?

  67. “We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be one winner. It’s going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We’re going to win that war,” Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

    “President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let’s take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” Hoffa added.

    That’s Hoffa’s entire money quote. The money lines so to speak. In this quote he refers to “war” five times, “battle” once, “like(ing) a good fight” once, they being Obama’s “army” once THEN follows with the “Let’s thake these son of bitches out” part. There is no mention of voting anywhere in this quote.

    Uh-huh:

    “We have Saddam Hussein,” declared billionaire industrialist Charles Koch, apparently referring to President Barack Obama as he welcomed hundreds of wealthy guests to the latest of the secret fundraising and strategy seminars he and his brother host twice a year. The 2012 elections, he warned, will be “the mother of all wars.”

    And yet you’re not saying anything about the rhetoric of the right.]

    Common sense says that’s because you’re actually in love with one of teh Koch brothers, Hoagie.

    And since that’s common sense, you can’t provide any proof otherwise that can disporve it. You want to bear Charles Koch’s babies. It’s common sense.

    We win again. In your face.

  68. “I will if you will. I know you won’t, so don’t hold your breath about me.”

    No Hube, you won’t, because you can’t, regardless. Get help!

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