In case anyone thought that Charlie Crist was still a Republican

Well, of course he did!


October 28, 2010, 7:19 pm

Bill Clinton Tried to Get Meek to Drop Out

By MICHAEL D. SHEAR AND JEFF ZELENY

Former President Bill Clinton last week tried to convince Kendrick Meek, the Democratic candidate for Senate in Florida, to drop out of the race – but Mr. Meek changed his mind at the last minute, a spokesman for Mr. Clinton said Thursday evening.

Matt McKenna, Mr. Clinton’s spokesman, said the former president believed that Mr. Meek would not win on Tuesday and was urging him to drop out and endorse Charlie Crist, the state’s governor, who is running for the Senate as an independent.

The back-channel efforts by Mr. Clinton, which were first reported by Politico, were apparently an effort to prevent the state’s Senate seat from falling into the hands of Marco Rubio, the Republican who is leading both of his rivals in the polls.

There had been reports that for several weeks that Mr. Meek was being urged to consider dropping out of the contest. But the Democrat said repeatedly that he was staying in until the end.

Governor Crist, elected as a Republican, decided to run for the Senate as an independent when it became clear that he was going to lose the Republican primary to Marco Rubio. Considering the success the former President had in persuading Representative Joe Sestak (D-PA) to withdraw from the Democratic senatorial primary against Senator Arlen Specter (D-PA), perhaps he should have decided against this move.

The opinion polls show a consistent lead for Mr Rubio, and The New York Times’ Project 538 gives Mr Rubio an 89.9% probability of victory. The most recent poll, from Quinnipiac University, has Mr Rubio leading Mr Crist by 42% to 35%, with Mr Meek trailing badly at 15%.

In a lot of ways, these midterm elections are a lot more national in scope than any since 1994. You see Republicans running against President Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi as much as they are running against their Democratic opponents, while you see many — though certainly not all — Democrats telling the voters how gosh darned independent they are. No wonder:


Obama Coalition Is Fraying, Poll Finds


By Jim Rutenberg and Megan Thee-Brenan, The New York Times


Critical parts of the coalition that delivered President Obama to the White House in 2008 and gave Democrats control of Congress in 2006 are switching their allegiance to the Republicans in the final phase of the midterm Congressional elections, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Republicans have wiped out the advantage held by Democrats in recent election cycles among women, Roman Catholics, less affluent Americans and independents. All of those groups broke for Mr. Obama in 2008 and for Congressional Democrats when they grabbed both chambers from the Republicans four years ago, according to exit polls.

If women choose Republicans over Democrats in House races on Tuesday, it will be the first time they have done so since exit polls began tracking the breakdown in 1982.

The poll provides a pre-Election Day glimpse of a nation so politically disquieted and disappointed in its current trajectory that 57 percent of the registered voters surveyed said they were more willing to take a chance this year on a candidate with little previous political experience. More than a quarter of them said they were even willing to back a candidate who holds some views that “seem extreme.”

It’s all bad news for the Democrats, but it holds a strong warning for the Republicans: there are a lot of voters out there with no real party loyalty who seem willing to give the Republicans a chance, but if the Republicans don’t actually deliver on their promises, those voters will desert the GOP as easily as they left the “Obama Coalition.”

When the voters switch party preferences in an election, the political pundits, and even some of the political scientists, start musing about a realigning election. We heard that talk in 1994, and again in 2008, though the last dramatic and lasting party realignment came in the 1932 election. It seems to me that 1994 was the culmination of a far more gradual drift, as the Democrats abandoned conservatism completely, thus losing their dwindling base in the South. The poor economy in 1992 and the nomination of a seemingly moderate Southern governor may have delayed it a bit, but 1994 had plenty of prior indicators, as Republicans had slowly been gaining officeholders since 1978.

The Democratic victories of 2006 and 2008 led to predictions of the death of the Republican Party and another Democratic shift, but those victories sure seem ephemeral these days. It’s far simpler to attribute them to disgust with the Republican base with Republican overspending, the war in Iraq, and the economic downturn just before the 2008 election. Those things were temporary.

I have to wonder if the days of political realignment aren’t something in the past, something we’re unlikely to see again. The number of people registering as independents is very large, which suggests a sense of disgust with both parties, and which suggests to me a large group which will be swayed by more immediate concerns than by any lingering party loyalty.

The lesson for the Republicans is clear: these people can be won over, but only as long as the Republicans actually deliver. The same lesson holds true for the Democrats, and, right now, the perception is that the Democrats failed to deliver what the public wanted, and did deliver what wasn’t desired. What have you done for me lately?

If the Republicans actually keep their promises, Yorkshire and John Hitchcock and AOTC and I will be just as happy five days before the 2012 elections as we are now; if they don’t, it’ll be Perry and Henry Whistler and MikeG with the smiles on their faces.

67 Comments

  1. Civil War In the Demoncrat Party – Center Left (Clinton types) vs Obamanators – Socialists.

    http://hillbuzz.org/2010/10/27/an-open-letter-to-rush-limbaugh-and-his-listeners/
    Dear Rush,

    It’s my great hope that some of your listeners find a way to get this letter to you, or that it makes it to “Snerdley” and finds its way into your hands. I don’t think even you understand just how much damage Obama has done to the Democrat Party — to the point where formerly lifelong Democrats like myself, and everyone here at HillBuzz.org, are actively working to expose the party and literally burn it to the ground for the good of the country.

    None of this is being reported in the media, but a Civil War in the Democrat ranks has been raging since May 31st, 2008…a date every Hillary Clinton supporter knows well, because that was the date of the Democrat Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting where Howard Dean (then-DNC Chair), Donna Brazile, and scores of other Kool-Aid slurping Obama flunkies took off their masks and revealed the full extent of the Leftist coup that had taken over the party. This was the day when the DNC took delegates Hillary Clinton won in Michigan away from her and handed them to Obama (despite the fact he wasn’t even on the primary ballot in that state, because he removed his name when his campaign realized he’d come in third in that race).

    And a lot, lot more

  2. Oh, there’s a stank being raised in the Republican Party as well, and it might well prove fruitful if played out right. While the Obama-Pelosi-Reid-Dean Democrats went so far off kilter that there is a possibly serious rift in the Democrat Party, causing even the big-government Republicans to demand no, there is also a big to-do in the Republican Party.

    Trent Lott said when the TEA Party Republicans show up in DC, “we’ll co-opt them.” Other big name Republicans have already fired a warning shot across the bow of the Progressive Republicans. You do that and we’ll bolt the Party. Several of them are in Congress and some who aren’t, carry a HUGE stick.

    As I said before, I’m a Christian Conservative. I’m a Christian first, a Conservative second and a Republican third, but only because there isn’t a viable third party. There are many “unaffiliated” voters who have given up on the Republican Party specifically because the Republican Party left its principles behind and shifted very far left. Should the Lotts of the Republican Party (and that includes McCain, Grahamnesty, and I believe McConnell) refuse to get on the boat and continue drowning the Republican Party in the Progressive bayou, it could very well mark the Whig-dom of the Republican Party and the dawning of a true and viable Conservative party to replace it.

    2008 caused the re-awakening of America. 2010 is marking the flexing of the muscles of the Conservative plurality of America. If the Republicans don’t wake up, 2012 will mark the end of the Republican Party as we know it and the beginning of a new party, a political re-awakening from the ground up.

  3. I seem to remember somebody reported a similar story regarding Meek being pushed to drop out and linked to Politico, where I try to stay away. I also remember a story a Politico writer wrote about Palin and named names of who is unhappy with her. All those names came out flat-out denying it and declared the Politico writer (a member of the defunct JournoList) to be a liar’s liar. So, there’s that to consider as well. Thanks for reminding me, Jeff.

  4. As I said before, I’m a Christian Conservative

    Yes, you say a lot of things. A few of which may even be true.

    Unlikely to be so in this case though.

    Which of these best reflects your views right now (16-19 Sep 2010)?

    Democrat total 32%, Republican 20%, Tea Party 15%, Green Party 4%

    Put it down to PB lying. Again.

  5. Let’s stress this point from that poll – of “Independents”, 7% were leaning Green, 21% were leaning Democrat, 11% Republican and 14% teabagger.

    Now compare that to PB’s blathering about “the Republicans being too far left for unaffiliateds” and “the Conservative plurality”.

  6. 42 percent of US adults are Conservative.
    35 percent are Moderate.
    20 percent are Liberal.

    And NZT, how about the independents (which is in a different metric entirely, which you would know had you learned anything at all about statistics) breaking hard toward Republicans? How about the swing from +13.4 Democrat on Obama’s inauguration to +7ish Republican now?

    And since I never said “the Republicans being too far left for unaffiliateds” so your purported quote is another of your lies. And since you have never once documented a lie I made on this blog, your standing is as it ever was — beneath trash.

  7. And since I never said “the Republicans being too far left for unaffiliateds”

    Uh-huh.

    “There are many “unaffiliated” voters who have given up on the Republican Party specifically because the Republican Party left its principles behind and shifted very far left.”

  8. Oh, nice. The poll NZT used came from ProjectVote. The site referencing it was OpenLeft.com. Not like either of those two sites have any bias attached, right? Why not use a NewsWeak poll? Because we all know how unbiased a rag that is, especially after being bought by the husband of a leftist Democrat Congresscritter.

  9. Yes, NZT, that was your purported quote of me in the first and my actual words in the second. They are not congruent in the least. But you’d know that if you actually understood the English language. Yet another of your dishonest attempts to claim someone said something that person never said. The hole you’ve dug yourself is quite deep enough, NZT. I’d suggest you quit digging, but you wouldn’t heed my advice anyway. You’ve never won an intellectual debate here and you tend to keep losing even worse after you get your tail handed to you.

  10. Yes, NZT, that was your purported quote of me in the first and my actual words in the second. They are not congruent in the least.

    Uh-huh.

    “the Republicans being too far left for unaffiliateds”

    vs

    “There are many “unaffiliated” voters who have given up on the Republican Party specifically because the Republican Party left its principles behind and shifted very far left.”

    I leave it to the reader to decide.

    Oh, and BTW, PB

    42 percent of US adults are Conservative.
    35 percent are Moderate.
    20 percent are Liberal.

    Who won the Presidential election in 2008?

  11. Oh, nice. The poll NZT used came from ProjectVote. The site referencing it was OpenLeft.com.

    You mean the one I cited with “Pew Research Centre/National Journal” conspiciously printed on the bottom of the graphic?

    Idiot.

  12. NZT proves yet again that he cannot read plain English. And his “appeal to authority” fallacy is idiotic.

    Regarding your idiotic question about the 2008 vote, try reading what I already wrote.

    And NZT, how about the independents (which is in a different metric entirely, which you would know had you learned anything at all about statistics) breaking hard toward Republicans? How about the swing from +13.4 Democrat on Obama’s inauguration to +7ish Republican now?

    I know it has some big words, like inauguration, but with some effort, you should be able to understand it.

  13. NZT proves yet again that he cannot read plain English

    This is the poll I cited, moron. Now, for the benefit of everyone, can you tell us what the little legend reads to you?

    God, you’re a fool.

  14. The Phoenician wrote:

    Oh, and BTW, PB

    42 percent of US adults are Conservative.
    35 percent are Moderate.
    20 percent are Liberal.

    Who won the Presidential election in 2008?

    The guy who won a majority of the middle voters. This year, if the opinion polls are correct, the middle voters are deserting him and his party.

  15. On the origins of American independence:

    The following excerpt is from Matt Barber of WorldNetDaily, 10/29/10.

    “Time to Reunite Church and State”

    “John Adams, our second U.S. president, famously observed: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    The U.S. Constitution, indeed our entire republican form of government, was crafted by deeply pious men who were overwhelmingly Christian. It was fashioned within the context and framework of the Judeo-Christian zeitgeist of the time and was further intended to function in harmony with a Judeo-Christian worldview – period. Though leftists may deny this reality, it remains indisputable fact. The historical record is unequivocal.

    Patrick Henry said this: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!”

    George Washington agreed:

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. … [R]eason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

    I’ll say it: I agree with George Washington. Those godless, postmodern secular-socialists, who, today, hold the reins of government, are unpatriotic. Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid seek to “subvert” Washington’s “great pillars” of “religion and morality” and are distinctly un-American for it…”

  16. “I’ll say it: I agree with George Washington. Those godless, postmodern secular-socialists, who, today, hold the reins of government, are unpatriotic. Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid seek to “subvert” Washington’s “great pillars” of “religion and morality” and are distinctly un-American for it…””

    Obviously the title of the essay you have quoted from and which actually overstates the Washington and Henry position, is meant to be provocative and therefore, the author no doubt hopes, thought provoking.

    Their view as you know was common and De Tocqueville’s well known observations some decades later reinforce it as a trusim of that and later times:

    ” …the revolutionists of America are obliged to profess an ostensible respect for Christian morality and equity, which does not permit them to violate wantonly the laws that oppose their designs; nor would they find it easy to surmount the scruples of their partisans even if they were able to get over their own. Hitherto no one in the United States has dared to advance the maxim that everything is permissible for the interests of society, an impious adage which seems to have been invented in an age of freedom to shelter all future tyrants. Thus, while the law permits the Americans to do what they please, religion prevents them from conceiving, and forbids them to commit, what is rash or unjust. “

    The militant secularists of course overwhelmingly have their own religion too. It is just called socialism.

  17. The U.S. Constitution, indeed our entire republican form of government, was crafted by deeply pious men who were overwhelmingly Christian.

    “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

    - Treaty of Tripoli, submitted to the Senate by President John Adams and ratified, 1797.

  18. Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli is often cited by philistines to deny the Christian foundations of the USA. It’s a bogus attempt to elevate an obscure and questionable anomaly into an assassination of the definitive statements made by the founders themselves.

    It’s unworthy of any real consideration, save as an example of the difficulties of concluding agreements between distrustful adversaries in the late 1700′s, negotiated by representatives who don’t speak a common language, working from multiple locations over time and at long distances. Distances which back then took weeks and months to traverse, Tripoli to Algiers, then across the Mediterranean Sea to Portugal, and finally by sailing ship to America.

    Revealing is that Article 11 does not appear in the original Arabic text of the Treaty, which incidentally was broken in 1801 and renegotiated in 1805. Article 11 has its origins in a letter which passed between the Arabic rulers of Tripoli and Algiers which sought to clarify that the conflict involved only military and political differences, that no religious animosity animated the conflict. (The offending statement does not appear in the subsequent 1805 treaty: Article 14 stipulates the absence of religious animosity between the parties without repudiating the Christian foundations of the American system of government.)

    Joel Barlow, US consul-general was directly involved in the negotiations and subsequently translated the treaty into English. He elected to include the Article 11 text in the English language version which was sent to the Senate by John Adams.

    Article 11 is an historical curiosity, an interesting footnote in the annals of American diplomacy, nothing more.

  19. The English version of Article 11 was passed by the Senate in 1797, unanimously.

    Where were you in 1797, ropelight?

  20. Furthermore, the word “God” is not mentioned in the Constitution of the United States, not even once! Do you think that James Madison and the other Founders may have had a reason of that?

    And finally, Deism was a strong influence in America and elsewhere during the time of our Founders:

    “In the United States, Enlightenment philosophy (which itself was heavily inspired by deist ideals) played a major role in creating the principle of religious freedom, expressed in Thomas Jefferson’s letters, and the principle of religious freedom expressed in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. American Founding Fathers, or Framers of the Constitution, who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy, include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their political speeches show distinct deistic influence.

    Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, John Adams, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[38] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout America and Europe).”

    Ropelight and DNW, you two simply cannot rewrite history at will to suit your personal wishes. You are attempting to substitute ideology for scholarship. For that, you are being called out!

  21. Perry, the quotes are from John Adams, Patrick Henry, and George Washington. The words are theirs, not mine.

    Contrary to your absurd accusation, I didn’t “rewrite” them to suit my personal wishes. It’s you who are foolishly attempting to impose your revisionist ideology on writers who have clearly established and well known records.

    The words of these revered men are among the most well recorded in American history. You can’t put your words in their mouths. It won’t fly. In the vernacular, that’s known as pissin’ against the tide.

    All you’ve succeeded in doing is exposing yourself as a intellectual charlatan, and a supremely arrogant one at that.

  22. ropelight says:

    All you’ve succeeded in doing is exposing yourself as a intellectual charlatan, and a supremely arrogant one at that.

    ropelight, pay attention this time. The word “God” does not appear even one time in the Constitution of the United States!

    Did you read that this time? You did not respond to it the last time.

    Moreover, as I pointed out, it is a well established historical fact, as I pointed out, that many of our founders were Deists. Do you even know what a Deist is?

    Deism: One who admits the possibility of the existence of a God or gods, but claims to know nothing of either, and denies revelation. An agnostic of olden times.

    I would classify myself as a Deist.

    So ropelight, your selective quotations of several of our Founders are meaningless with regard to the wall of separation between church and state, as Jefferson put it.

    And then you have the nerve to say: Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid seek to “subvert” Washington’s “great pillars” of “religion and morality” and are distinctly un-American for it…”

    Where is the evidence for such an outrageous statement as that. That is utter garbage! You just demonstrated to all on here that you speak like a hater. Are you really a hater, ropelight?

    The Sanity Rally today on the Mall was all about an attempt to bring people together, or put another way, to stop the polarization and the hate speech. I hope you will internalize this message.

  23. bringing people together to try and harass conservatives to abandon what hey believe so liberals can make fun of them while acting like clowns. form without substance.and not very good form i might add .

    stuff it perry.

    was that nice enough for you? or would you rather i use phoes vocabulary and manners?

  24. And then you have the nerve to say: Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid seek to “subvert” Washington’s “great pillars” of “religion and morality” and are distinctly un-American for it…”

    Where is the evidence for such an outrageous statement as that. That is utter garbage! You just demonstrated to all on here that you speak like a hater. Are you really a hater, ropelight?

    The evidence is everywhere, Trunchbull. And for you to call anybody a hater is a hoot, Trunchbull. Your lack of integrity is well-known, hypocrite.

  25. Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid

    All three of whom, of course, were elected freely as representatives by the voters.

  26. By the way, as regards “fringe lefties”

    An estimated 215,000 people attended a rally organized by Comedy Central talk show hosts Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

    The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance at the “Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear” on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which took place on the Mall in Washington. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 10 percent.

    CBS News also commissioned AirPhotosLive.com to do a crowd estimate of Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally in August. That rally was estimated to have attracted 87,000 people. Amid criticism from conservatives that the estimate was low, CBS News detailed the methodology behind it here.

    TBD reported that because of the high turnout many would-be rally attendees retreated to bars to watch the event

    So the liberal comedian managed to attract about 2.5 times as many people as the wingnut comedian.

  27. Hitchcock latest ad hom:

    The evidence is everywhere, Trunchbull. And for you to call anybody a hater is a hoot, Trunchbull. Your lack of integrity is well-known, hypocrite.

    And John, the specific evidence is?

  28. aotc yells:

    stuff it perry.

    And this is in reference to what, dear lady? Is this your best?

    Is this all you people know how to do or say?

  29. PiaToR points out:

    So the liberal comedian managed to attract about 2.5 times as many people as the wingnut comedian.

    For me, that is a gratifying number, a positive sign.

    My West Chester, PA daughter and cousin attended, so I’m looking forward to their experience there.

    I was also pleased with watching the event on TV. This was a happy occasion for me.

  30. I was also pleased with watching the event on TV. This was a happy occasion for me.

    Dude, it’s a happy occasion for you when you manage not to piss yourself. So?

  31. Hube demeans:

    Dude, it’s a happy occasion for you when you manage not to piss yourself. So?

    Why such a remark, Hube?

  32. I reiterate, Perry:

    The fact that you even have to ask such a question shows how far gone you are, Prune Juice.

    Here’s a sign you ought to make note of:

    Being clueless, hypocritical and whining is not a political movement. Get your own house in order before you criticize anyone else.

  33. It doesn’t matter what numbers attended Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor rally, or Jon Stewart’s rally of anything else. There’s going to be a quieter, much more broadly based rally on Tuesday, and only those numbers will actually count.

  34. Hube persists:

    Dude, it’s a happy occasion for you when you manage not to piss yourself. So?

    Your nasty and hateful comments are noted, Hube; there’s no need to amplify them!

    Therefore, for you, this is worth repeating:

  35. Dana wrote:

    The Phoenician wrote, of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid:

    All three of whom, of course, were elected freely as representatives by the voters.

    Yes they were. But it just might turn out that one of those three will start drawing his government pension in January. :)

    Duly noted: Right wing arrogance has already set in as the party of ‘NO’ contemplates taking their seats.

  36. Dana:

    It doesn’t matter what numbers attended Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor rally, or Jon Stewart’s rally of anything else. There’s going to be a quieter, much more broadly based rally on Tuesday, and only those numbers will actually count.

    Did you utter the same wisdom in 2008, Dana?

  37. This is for you, Prune Juice, worth repeating:

    Being clueless, hypocritical and whining is not a political movement. Get your own house in order before you criticize anyone else.

  38. Prune Juice writes: Duly noted: Right wing arrogance has already set in as the party of ‘NO’ contemplates taking their seats.

    And then posts this.

    You are beyond parody, Old Man.

  39. Last night at nearly midnight (23:53) Perry, pushing a previous question, asked the following:

    “ropelight, pay attention this time. The word “God” does not appear even one time in the Constitution of the United States!

    Did you read that this time? You did not respond to it the last time.”

    Perry had previously written, “Furthermore, the word “God” is not mentioned in the Constitution of the United States, not even once! Do you think that James Madison and the other Founders may have had a reason of that?”
    —————-
    Perry is correct, at least insofar as my neglect of his question. (The US Constitution doesn’t mention “Rutabagas” either, and I’m unaware of any record of John Adams offering an explanation for that startling omission.)

    So, yes, I ignored Perry’s question because it struck me as so foolish in the extreme that I took it to be a clumsy rhetorical device to introduce his ridiculous accusation that I had rewritten history to suit my personal wishes. (see my comment above, 30 October at 18:47)

    Next, Perry goes on to announce that he’s a deist. Well, thanks, I guess, for sharing that with us, Perry, I hope it helps you to get right with the Lord. It might come in handy as your days wind down to a precious few.

    Finally, Perry accuses me of using selected quotations. He wrote, “So ropelight, your selective quotations of several of our Founders are meaningless with regard to the wall of separation between church and state, as Jefferson put it.

    And then you have the nerve to say: Fringe leftists like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid seek to “subvert” Washington’s “great pillars” of “religion and morality” and are distinctly un-American for it…”
    ———–
    Wrong again, Perry. You’re quick to make silly accusations such as that I “rewrite history” or that I use “selected quotations,” or that I have the nerve to say mean things about Democrat leaders, but if you’d actually read my comments before you launch into such histrionics, you might avoid making a bigger fool of yourself than you’ve already proved to be.

    You see, Perry, my comment of 29 October at 10:44 which initially set you off, is almost exclusively composed of the words and quotations selected by the author of the article. I report that fact in the second sentence from the top. It reads, “The following excerpt is from Matt Barber of WorldNetDaily, 10/29/10.”

    Other than the introductory phrase, the words you find so distasteful are those of Matt Barber. While I do share much of the same sentiment he expresses, since I didn’t write the article or select the quotes it wouldn’t be right for me to accept the accolades which are rightfully his.

  40. yep,

    tuesday.

    then the real work beigns. it will take years.

    like dennis miller says.

    DennisDMZ

    Vote Republican this time and put the skids on spending. THEN we’ll sort out the morons on both sides that need to get whacked in 2012.

    :)

  41. Perry asked:

    Did you utter the same wisdom in 2008, Dana?

    I don’t remember using those words specifically, but they would have been true then, as well. The only poll that really counted in 2008 had results I didn’t like, and did our country significant damage, in two younger liberals replacing two older ones on the Supreme Court, in a trillion dollars in unnecessary additional debt due to the porkulus plan, and an Obamination health care bill. I hope that the results of the 2010 poll that counts will prevent any worsening of the damage being wrought by the barely restrained liberal policies, and following the 2012 poll that counts, we can actually start reversing some of it.

    But, regardless of my hopes and of yours, the voters will work their will in two days. One of us will be happier with the results than the other; it only waits to be seen which of us will be the happier.

  42. perry, up for some anecdotal evidence?

    last night our local haloween parade. huge parade in this area. over 130 floats and organizations participate… anyhow

    republican and democrat local and state had people in there from far and wide. the repub float came by. there was clapping, waving hooting hollering, whistling etc. the democrats came by..**crickets*** stone cold silence from thousands of people. wow it was really weird, ive never seen that before. the public are not being nasty to them, they are just not supporting them. at all.

    but naturally my entire city is racist.

  43. Unfortunately, the problems of overconsumption, overborrowing by both consumers and government, financing the military-industrial complex, tax and wage policies and practices, all growing since the ’80′s, and burgeoning in the ’00′s, have come to rest on the shoulders of Obama, whose policies have contributed the least overall to this problem. This is exactly what is going on in Chicago!

    I guess it is human nature to blame other than ourselves for difficulties that we and our surrogates have created. This does not solve any of our problems.

    Those who are complaining, as seen on this blog as a microcosm, have no solutions. Unspecified tax and spending cuts are solutions only for the uninformed.

    The basic problem is that we are being out-competed in the global arena, not only with more competitive wages for the same jobs, but also with technical skills and innovation. In innovation, we have slipped from first to sixth, and in technical skills, for example in math and science, we have slipped to 26th in the world.

    So the solution is investment, investment in infrastructure, including digital infrastructure, and investment in education, especially K-12.

    With the anticipated outcome of Tuesday’s election, I see us falling yet further behind than we might otherwise be, based on the do-nothing philosophy that the incoming legislators and governors seem to possess. For example, Mitch McConnell stated outright that his “first priority is to make sure that Obama is a one term President”. We must have higher priorities than that.

    I sincerely hope I am wrong about falling further behind. Instead, I hope that the new people will work with the incumbents to develop a plan and carry it forward to implementation, a plan with a solution addressing the points made two paragraphs back.

    On the subject of investing to produce American jobs in the future, I point you to Fareed Zakaria’s superb program on the subject aired today, Sunday morning. Here is some information about the program content.

  44. aotc said:

    but naturally my entire city is racist.

    No, your city is hurting badly and angry. As mentioned above, it is misdirected; but that’s understandable.

  45. The funniest thing about the war of images on this thread is that it shows mostly that Hube simply has no sense of irony – he literally cannot recognise it.

  46. yes, they think only with their lizard brains.stupid scared little hicks and plebes…

    if only they had an education. or higher faculties.

    perry…you arrogant condescending….

    (and they wonder why people dont like them)

  47. Unfortunately, the problems of overconsumption, overborrowing by both consumers and government, financing the military-industrial complex, tax and wage policies and practices, all growing since the ’80?s, and burgeoning in the ’00?s, have come to rest on the shoulders of Obama, whose policies have contributed the least overall to this problem. This is exactly what is going on in Chicago!

    Just asking the wingnuts here, what is the approximate size of government, corporate and individual debt in the US relative to each other?

    Check out this graph. The government isn’t doing that bad compared to US citizens and corporations. Or, at least it wasn’t until the recession hit – where individuals and corporations hit debt limits and government expenditure had to jump to cope with such things as unemployment.

    You’ll also note the shape of that government debt position – relatively steady, and then increasing <since the early 80s, curving down and coming under control over the course of the 90s, and then trneding up again during the 00s. Which is to say Reagan started the debt soaring, Clinton successfully battled it down, Bush threw away that win, and Obama is having to deal with the biggest Depression since the Great one. And note that Obama’s “massive debt” is about where America would be if not for Clinton’s economic management.

  48. yes, they think only with their lizard brains.stupid scared little hicks and plebes…

    if only they had an education. or higher faculties.

    perry…you arrogant condescending….

    Assinhead, if you don’t like the comments, why do you insist on proving them every time you post? You don’t like to be called an ignorant moron – and yet you never ever seem to post anyone containing any wisdom, insight, or even information.

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