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  1. Ah, what darlins you all are! I love you all for this, although, I hope that I may encounter bright and open minds.

    I would like for anyone with a bright open mind an opportunity to see this presentation by physic professor, Dr. Steven Jones. This will find you all riveted, if you have an interest in the laws of physics. We know that the laws of physics cannot be violated. Let’s hear this brilliant and courageous professor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMhl-S5MyAc&feature=related

  2. York, by the way, if you are within hearing distance (or ever come here… :[) well, about the insults, I don’t mind insults, I do mind that they are replaced by logic. If I’m stupid sometimes, and aren’t we all? well, call me out for it, but have something that demonstrates how correct you are. You can’t take the Truth Movement’s evidence down though. It won’t work, unless you know how the laws of physics can be violated. Explosives change things. They can do weird things all of which was recorded on National television. Why won’t they ever show that footage again? You can only find it on 911 Truth sites.

    Would you like to see video footage of that day? Okay…next posting, link available for you to see for yourselves….YOU decide who is lying.

  3. Hmm, this article calls out for librarians to do their part too. I wonder if our resident librarian has the sufficient verve’ to put his head into this? I think he’s too worried about being called names. This is the concern of science being hijacked by politics. Frightening giant step deeper into the Fascistic pile of dog shit our country is becoming. Who around here has guts enough to look deeper? Who is willing to do their part?

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/09/24/ethical-reflections-on-the-911-controversy/all/1

  4. Aotc, thank you for that, it was lovely, and the visuals were as well. I may just post it on FB. They get tired of my Debbie Downer role probably too.

    I hope you started looking at some of the evidence of the cover up. Thanks again.

  5. From a Chinese article contradicting Chomsky.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/30/content_387058.htm

    Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

    In what appeared to be conciliatory language, bin Laden said he wanted to explain why he ordered the suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon so Americans would know how to act to prevent another attack.

    “To the American people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another Manhattan,” he said. “I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security.”

    After the video was aired, President Bush said that “Americans will not be intimidated” by bin Laden. Democratic challenger John Kerry criticized Bush for failing to capture bin Laden earlier and said that “I can run a more effective war on terror.”

  6. I’ve been trying to tell you all that psy-ops have been going on. Perception management, it’s called. I’ll get back to you, with another article or video, York regarding the phony bin Laden tape. In the mean time, here’s a confession from some intelligence people, article, amazingly enough (they are not always honest either, and participate in US psy-ops against the population also) they brought this to us…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/02/world/02terror.html

    And thank you, aotc.

  7. This link, York has numerous links within it, which confirm that there were fake videos made. Also a link to Washington Post which has declared it as well.

    One bothersome thing, I’ve been encountering lately, is much evidence, the links that have shown such things…for example, just now, I clicked onto a link, to show that Osama bin Laden, was wearing a gold wedding band, and no jewelry of any kind is allowed in the Muslim religion/culture. I’d seen it before, but it says it’s not available now. I’m not going to make any declaration that the government prevented it, but there is a new propaganda minister now, his name is Cass Sunstein. Information management is his task. But, here is a start, if you would like to know about the psy-ops conducted….

    http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/07/osama-bin-lyin.html

  8. Not that anyone around here cares, but our internet is now getting censored. At least us “wild eyed Truthers” that support scientists that aren’t bought by the war machine. We believe the retired scientists though that worked for the government. There’s quite a few that have spoken out, that you all hide from.

    Just so you know, I went to 911 Blogger, who has the most recent evidence and progress, and/or disappointments due to the prevalence of cowardice, and manipulation by our government controlled media. So, as you all know watching videos is simpler than reading something when you aren’t enthused about seeing facts that are displeasing to your “reality.” So, I think that maybe a short video might make all around here see that which is so obvious which science based professionals that are not cowards have already made clear. Well, someone has taken note of my tendency to drop video links around the net. Now, when I go to 911 Blogger, I cannot see the videos. I went upstairs to my friends computer. Although he is fully aware of what I know, and is not so foolish as to believe the government conspiracy theory, he is not an activists, as am I. His computer, same thread, has available the videos to see. MINE IS BEING CENSORED. Who would do that and why? Here we are, and you all have stuck your head in the sand all these years. This is a recurring theme in history, of the devolution of democracy. It’s the classic textbook descent of democracy. Why do you think I was so on fire to wake people up? So we wouldn’t be at this point. Our first amendment? It was lame before because the big money had the real voices for public consumption, but at least information was available if those individuals who used their minds and was discerning and studying multiple sources, like ME could access it. Other cases of censorship have been appearing in recent weeks too. I’m too tired right now to explain it, but just know, that it’s started, the demise of our first amendment. Thanks for all your help. Why would they want to censor me? What do you think?

    This site is kind of like a boyfriend I try to break up with, because I get so mad at you all, but I keep coming back like some kind of co-dependent.

  9. Over on FaceBook I’m finding High School friends I haven’t seen or heard from in ages. One asked if I was computer savvy since he was starting or into a blog. So, I directed him to this website. He saw it was right leaning, he seems to the left, but that won’t get in the way. But he sent me this, and I said I know who would be interested in it. So, here’s more to chew on. A bit interesting:

    When Bush got elected the economy was in the tank– Haliburton stock was being trashed. Geroge wasn’t very popular. 911 happened the same day 911 in 1973 that Allende a democratically elected socialist was suicided by the CIA and Pinochete was installed as a pro capitalist Autocrat. That’s the great thing about the human mind. Anything can be justified as a coincidence — or a series of unfortunate events where hundreds of billions of dollars have been made in this wonderful Oligarchy we live in. What’s a few thousand lives when the top two percent can make a killing and the gullible electorate continue to suck on teabags believing it’s some sort of revolution.

  10. Oh, yeah, they are trying to take us down. We are growing into a juggernaut. Fox is just an arm of the defense industry. Real Republican Eisenhower warned of the influence of the military industrial complex, and it is now like a tapeworm sucking the life out of this country, and Fox is the a big part of that tapeworm, stuck into the guts of America. To carry that metaphor farther, the life blood of courageous soldiers, as well as humanity are what’s feeding that worm.

    Can’t sell umbrellas without rain.

  11. Blubonnet says:
    13 November 2010 at 20:44
    Oh, yeah, they are trying to take us down. We are growing into a juggernaut. Fox is just an arm of the defense industry. Real Republican Eisenhower warned of the influence of the military industrial complex, and it is now like a tapeworm sucking the life out of this country, and Fox is the a big part of that tapeworm, stuck into the guts of America.

    One selling point of FOX to me is they have about as many leaning left as they do right, at least center left. They do differ on air, and they do battle for their ideas. I find Geraldo leaning Left as he has done in the past. I’m just interested to see what they say and how believable it is. It’s 10:00pm EST So, wherever you are adjust the time.

  12. York, they have been caught lying so many times, I have sadly no respect for them. Another thing, their version of “left” is just not as far right as they are. I’m sorry. I’m also sorry that some one nice like you believes them.

  13. Blubonnet says:
    14 November 2010 at 04:28 (Edit)
    York, they have been caught lying so many times, I have sadly no respect for them. Another thing, their version of “left” is just not as far right as they are. I’m sorry. I’m also sorry that some one nice like you believes them.

    Well, FWIW, Geraldo had pro and con guests to speak about Bldg. 7. Afterwards Geraldo said he had a more open mind about explosives being used.

  14. Well, York, I’m having to wear egg, in assuming FOX would merely make jokes. I was thrilled to see that Geraldo got away with doing an honest piece. I am astonished, and impressed. I hope you, York, have been checking out the links I left here.

  15. Blubonnet says:
    14 November 2010 at 14:39
    Well, York, I’m having to wear egg, in assuming FOX would merely make jokes. I was thrilled to see that Geraldo got away with doing an honest piece. I am astonished, and impressed. I hope you, York, have been checking out the links I left here.

    There’s more than Geraldo giving both sides on FOX. But remember FOX has two distinct groups: News and Opinion, but even in some opinion shows they do go for both sides of the story.

  16. I’ve come to respect this site, integrity, evident. This was an article about the Geraldo piece on/of FOX. I am puzzled. It’s like the (excuse metaphor) the FOX, er I mean Wiley Coyote, in the cartoon when he smiles at the road runner, and Coyote continuing to be salivating, and the roadrunner is getting his saliva on his feet. And just when the road runner was starting to smile back…snatch. Hmmm?

    Well, I applaud him too.

    I remember around Katrina time he was one of the only journalists that showed honesty, compassion and candor-Geraldo. So, I still distrust FOX in general, I’ll give that to them that Geraldo showed a spine of high grade steel.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/geraldo-much-open-minded-911-campaign/#comment-98087135

  17. Blubonnet says:
    17 November 2010 at 05:13 (Edit)
    I’ve come to respect this site, integrity, evident. This was an article about the Geraldo piece on/of FOX. I am puzzled.

    Now if I can just talk you into watching Glenn Beck :-) ;-) (I’m joking)

  18. If anyone around here wants to see the documentary that was translated into over 40 different languages, it might not hurt to catch on with the rest of the world… Incidentally the suggestion of doing honest research, confirming in alliance with your own objectivity, while looking at both soides of the discussion. The clearly honest perspective is not difficult to realize. I am surprised how rare that is. Honest objectivity, that is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM&feature=related

  19. This is about the plan to take over the middle east by the neo-cons, long before 9-11-01. All they needed, in their own words was a “New Pearl Harbor”. The documentary, part one here is followed beside it with the continuing parts. It is called, this documentary…New American Century

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14cONsdsYQ

  20. York, I assume you are joking. Otherwise, that would be ridiculous.

    Yes, the foreknowledge to make money for the corporate mafiosos is just one more piece of the puzzle. I will say that the war profiteers are tightly intertwined with the banksters.

    Another thing, war profiteers sell weapons to both sides of a war. Where are their allegiances? Try the almighty dollar.

    If you look at how close the relationship was with Bush and the Saudis, heck they were holding hands in at least one photo, and that most of the hijackers were Saudi, none Iraqi, the picture starts to come together, for as long as you can stand looking at it, but then you will suddenly mentally declare “nonsense” of course, because you mind doesn’t want to go there. Sorry, but the level of treason involved is mind blowing alright.

    Bottom line, you can’t sell umbrellas without rain.

  21. Blubonnet says:
    28 November 2010 at 16:24 (Edit)
    York, I assume you are joking. Otherwise, that would be ridiculous.

    Yes, the foreknowledge to make money for the corporate mafiosos is just one more piece of the puzzle. I will say that the war profiteers are tightly intertwined with the banksters.

    Think about Bin Laden Family in Yemen and Saudi. What would stop the Family from using a money laundering scheme with the banks w/UBL knowing what’s coming.

  22. Anything is possible, but I know for sure that explosives used in the buildings were nano-thermite, which the US government’s Pentagon only has access to. All of the strange behavior of the government is part of the equation.

  23. The strange behavior of our government can be recognized here. You’d have to make friends with your objectivity though.

  24. It’s called 911 Press for Truth. It will show clearly the multiple examples of the government squirming and using every possible “security” reason to claim they didn’t have to tell the public the facts. Needless to say, the victims’ families that did not take government money spoke out, with indignation and suspicion. If they did take the money, they were not allowed to speak out.

  25. This film is about the members of Project for the New American Century. It is titled The New American Century. The plan to invade the middle east came long before 9-11-01. In the document’s own words, they stated that to get the American people to come along with the plan, what was needed was “A New Pearl Harbor”. Lucky them. It came along just in time at the GWB presidency, and with his family and friends able to make billions on it besides, well 9-11-01 was a gift to them. Of course, further study unravels much more ugliness, the likes of which most can’t fathom. For bright, inquisitive minds…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14cONsdsYQ

  26. Why are Republicans blocking health care for the 9-11-01 heroes?

    Very good question, Blubonnet.

    My thought: Republicans are ideologically very self-centered and selective about to whom benefits should accrue, like the wealthy, so evident in their position on the tax cut bill, all this supported by the same self-centered crew we see daily on this very blog.

  27. It doesn’t surprise me. I don’t understand how they consistently pick the most suffering, for the most unfortunate.

  28. Also, by the way, yet another examples, this time, it’s wikileaks is exposing foreknowledge of 9-11-01. You can start here to get the scoop.

    http://911blogger.com/node/3168

    By the way, Perry, nice to have some company aro9und here in this lonely thread. Nice to see that the real authentic, objective minds around here. Only a fool would believe the government version of that day. A quote comes to mind from Voltaire…

    “Those that can be made to believe absurdities can be made to commit autocracies.”

    So sorry, but the government version in contrast with independent professionals of every relevant field is yelling “absurd”. Then when you look, you’ll get it, and wonder why you were so foolish to believe the government in the first place. We all need to get it, if we expect anything besides the continuation of the demise of this Republic, with the wolves in charge of everything.

  29. From Washington’s Blog, this article, is about spreading information, not capitalizing on origin. Well deserved credentials and origin, I will leave you the link for shortly, on next posting. This researcher has made clear the ridiculousness and more than obvious cover-up that has taken place. I’d assumed that their words would long ago have raised a few eyebrows, but more often than not, as reality surfaces, among those that have long lived in denial, the tendency to bring one’s hands over their eyebrows to limit one’s perspective, as so, not to be upset, by a “reality” they have helped implement.

    Again, who is it that hates us for our freedoms? Seems more and more like our own government, as they have been consistently, slowly and steadily been withdrawn, and controlling speech, by controlling who gets to use $$$ as a vocal instrument, bypassing those that don’t have such access to a bigger microphone, always those with the most amount of money has the biggest voice, using such instruments as a purchased media system. Also, buying “institutions” in government. Well it’s time to see beyond the common “communication” sources.

    Thursday, September 9, 2010

    The Anniversary of 9/11

    Don’t want to hear this?

    Tough. Grow up.

    9/11 Commissioners:

    * The 9/11 Commission’s co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)

    * 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue

    * 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

    * 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”

    * 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” He also said that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking

    * And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – recently said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” And he said: “It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened”

    If even the 9/11 Commissioners don’t buy the official story, why do you?

    Senior intelligence officers:

    * Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers”. He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that “very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been”, that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there’s enough evidence to justify a new, “hard-hitting” investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this)

    * A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”

    * A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe (and see this)

    * A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored)

    * A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that “the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job

    * The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup”

    If even our country’s top intelligence officers don’t buy the official story, why do you?

    Congressmen:

    * According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)

    * Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said “The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?”

    * Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that “we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on”

    * Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren’t being told the truth about 9/11

    * Current Republican Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11

    * Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don’t know the truth about 9/11

    * Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation

    * Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn’t believe the official version of events

    * Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job

    If there is bipartisan questioning of the official story, why aren’t you questioning it?

    Other government officials:

    * U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said “We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time”

    * Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11

    * Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says “The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence”

    * The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility

    * Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is “the dog that doesn’t hunt”

    * Several key employees for the defense department say that the government covered up their testimony about tracking Mohammed Atta before 9/11

    * The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission

    If top government officials are skeptical, why aren’t you?

    Numerous other politicians, judges, legal scholars, and attorneys also question at least some aspects of the government’s version of 9/11.

  30. I suggest all that may come here, the few, the brave, and I now hear the music playing in my mind from Sergent Barry Sadler’s song and I can’t remember it, I’ll have to come back to that. I suggest all who come here to learn something, to please look for it’s evidence. That is important. Of course you should scrutinize, and I would like it if you did. But you have to look honestly at both sides of the argument, objectively and honestly. That is sure to make you realize things aren’t all they seem to be. Sorry, but you’ve been made a fool of and the steadfast demise of this country, you all in denial are participating in, in it’s demise. This is a pattern played out many times in history. You all are willing participants in its deception and its repression, the “realities” which the wolves have concocted. They have started taking our institutions into their hands, by buying them. They have quite literally bought themselves a stupid compliant head bobbing populace, when medias are bought up, as fascists states all do. Shall I remind us of the 144 Characteristics of Fascism? Let’s be honest with our selves here.

    The 14 Defining
    Characteristics Of Fascism
    Free Inquiry
    Spring 2003
    5-11-3

    Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
    5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
    6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
    7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
    to the government’s policies or actions.
    9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
    10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

    They Thought They Were Free

    By Milton Mayer
    http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free_nn4.html

    “They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945″,
    University of Chicago Press. Reissued in paperback, April, 1981.

    As Harpers Magazine noted when the book was published in 1955 (U. of Chicago), Milton Mayerâsextraordinarily far-sighted book on the Germans is more timely today than ever·ä

    This crucial book tells how and why ‘decent men’ became Nazis through short biographies of 10 law-abiding citizens. An American journalist of German/Jewish descent, Mr. Mayer provides a fascinating window into the lives, thoughts and emotions of a people caught up in the rush of the Nazi movement. It is a book that should make people pause and think — not only about the Germans, but also about themselves.

    But Then It Was Too Late

    “What no one seemed to notice,” said a colleague of mine, a philologist, “was the ever widening gap, after1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing to do with knowing one is governing.

    What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

    “This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

    “You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the universe was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was “expected to” participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time.”

    “Those,” I said, “are the words of my friend the baker. “One had no time to think. There was so much going on.” “Your friend the baker was right,” said my colleague. “The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your “little men”, your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about – we were decent people – and kept us so busy with continuous changes and “crises” and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the “national enemies”, without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

    “To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it – please try to believe me – unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, “regretted,” that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these “little measures” that no “patriotic German” could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

    “How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice – “Resist the beginnings” and “consider the end.” But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have changed here before they went as far as they did; they didn’t, but they might have. And everyone counts on that might.

    “Your “little men,” your Nazi friends, were not against National Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemoller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing: and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something – but then it was too late.”

    “Yes,” I said.

    “You see,” my colleague went on, “one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don’t want to “go out of your way to make trouble.” Why not? – Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

    “Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, “everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, “It’s not so bad” or “You’re seeing things” or “You’re an alarmist.”

    “And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

    “But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to ö to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

    “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked ö if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in “43″ had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in “33″. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

    “And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jew swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in ö your nation, your people ö is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

    “You have gone almost all the way yourself. Life is a continuing process, a flow, not a succession of acts and events at all. It has flowed to a new level, carrying you with it, without any effort on your part. On this new level you live, you have been living more comfortably every day, with new morals, new principles. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined.

    “Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done ( for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.

    “What then? You must then shoot yourself. A few did. Or “adjust” your principles. Many tried, and some, I suppose, succeeded; not I, however. Or learn to live the rest of your life with your shame. This last is the nearest there is, under the circumstances, to heroism: shame. Many Germans became this poor kind of hero, many more, I think, than the world knows or cares to know.”

    I said nothing. I thought of nothing to say.

    “I can tell you,” my colleague went on, “of a man in Leipzig, a judge. He was not a Nazi, except nominally, but he certainly wasn’t an anti Nazi. He was just ö a judge. In “42″ or “43″, early “43″, I think it was, a Jew was tried before him in a case involving, but only incidentally, relations with an “Aryan” woman. This was “race injury”, something the Party was especially anxious to punish. In the case a bar, however, the judge had the power to convict the man of a “nonracial” offense and send him to an ordinary prison for a very long term, thus saving him from Party “processing” which would have meant concentration camp or, more probably, deportation and death. But the man was innocent of the “nonracial” charge, in the judge’s opinion, and so, as an honorable judge, he acquitted him. Of course, the Party seized the Jew as soon as he left the courtroom.

    “And the judge?”

    “Yes, the judge. He could not get the case off his conscience ö a case, mind you, in which he had acquitted an innocent man. He thought that he should have convicted him and saved him from the Party, but how could he have convicted an innocent man? The thing preyed on him more and more, and he had to talk about it, first to his family, then to his friends, and then to acquaintances. (That’s how I heard about it.) After the “44″ Putsch they arrested him. After that, I don’t know.”

    I said nothing.

    “Once the war began,” my colleague continued, “resistance, protest, criticism, complaint, all carried with them a multiplied likelihood of the greatest punishment. Mere lack of enthusiasm, or failure to show it in public, was “defeatism.” You assumed that there were lists of those who would be “dealt with” later, after the victory. Goebbels was very clever here, too. He continually promised a “victory orgy” to “take care of” those who thought that their “treasonable attitude” had escaped notice. And he meant it; that was not just propaganda. And that was enough to put an end to all uncertainty.

    “Once the war began, the government could do anything “necessary” to win it; so it was with the “final solution” of the Jewish problem, which the Nazis always talked about but never dared undertake, not even the Nazis, until war and its “necessities” gave them the knowledge that they could get away with it. The people abroad who thought that war against Hitler would help the Jews were wrong. And the people in Germany who, once the war had begun, still thought of complaining, protesting, resisting, were betting on Germany’s losing the war. It was a long bet. Not many made it.”

    – Milton Mayer

  31. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH4-tOqLH94

    This piece from Sargent Barry Sadler warmed my heart as a child, and these men have been lied to, and they have been allowed to be exposed to deadly depleted uranium, radioactive enough to create birth defects in their genes for generations to come, down through all of time. They F-ed up his gene line forever. They created deformities in his baby, or babies, and creates deformities on-going-ly, while often times the hero soldier who got lied to is dying of cancer. Same things happening to the Of course, generations to come of deformities in Iraq. Yes, WE had WMDs, WE used in Fallujah.

    What part of shameless disregard for humanity, does this not touch your noggin, as to the nature of our Pentagon/defense industry/media/bangsters operations not register to you that they got this thing going on. You are skippin’ and a fetchin’ for them? Bombs dropping from the sky onto civilians. No honest reason to do such a thing? Where is the regard for humanity in that decision?

    Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, and along with it’s power aligned with media and the Pentagon, it’s racket, whose blood is the poor’s mostly. So the wealthy war profiteers, along with their friends just keep the ball rolling, and it’s cash that ball is that gets thrown among them.

  32. http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-28/laurie-manwell-psychological-resistance-911-truth-911-context

    This is the cognitive process in which one chooses to use his objective mind or when emotional effects prevent that process. She was one of the authors from THE AMERICAN BEHAVIORAL SCIENTIST. The February 2010 issue of which the topic is the problem and fact that our government is clearly, among those with objectivity intact, obvious that explosions took place, and the government for some reason wants to hide it, and also control our media now, because to call a spade a heart when your own eyes can see what it is, but you let someone else tell you contrary, because of the power position in which it comes. Institutions get bought in the demise of a democracy. The denial of the masses of the usurping of our government, through media that complied with the government. History is repeating itself, as it has done a thousand times before, and few are cognizant of it. I wonder if anyone around here knows that the “Continuity of Government Plan” was activated days after 9-11-01, which meant they could and did, suspend the laws, in favor of “fighting terror”. Things never thought possible again took place in this country’s revision of “law” by way of the pen of GWB and Cheney. Seriously, that is what happened, and Obama continues to sign it into law each September now.

  33. I’m trying to continue adding information to the 911 Truth thread, which is not open anymore. I believe that eventually the availability of this knowledge among intelligent and inquisitive people, they will want more information as the reality becomes more solid, and believe me, it is quite substantial now.

    But, most people know by now that Osama bin Laden was actually on our government’s payroll, and some say that he was up until 9-11-01, and employed by our CIA. ??? Well, this piece from CBS (amazingly they do cover things sometimes) is what I wanted to add to the Truth thread. I hope, Dana, for those that eventually want to start catching up, the sources will be available. Those here will be ahead in information. This is what I wanted to drop into that thread about Osama bin Laden…

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/eveningnews/main325887.shtml

  34. This video clip tells of the interconnectedness of defense people, and the World Trade Centers, and who worked for who for who, and, how long, and mostly HOW could it possibly have been done??? I left an article that has the findings this video does, but with the source references, of which there are many, because the man is a scientist, and does intense study, sourcing of findings. I bet most of you have been wondering how this could play out…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_j3Kj0Tlec

  35. Blubonnet says:
    10 January 2011 at 21:25 (Edit)
    I’m trying to continue adding information to the 911 Truth thread, which is not open anymore.

    As Dana explained to me the comments section auto closes two months after opening. So maybe bug Dana, John or myself to move it up and reopen it in about 7 weeks. We’re trying hard to keep our end of the bargain. 8-)

  36. Okay, I hope sometime later you all realize how valuable all this is. The verifiable information keeps coming in, York. I wish for the sake of this country you all could fathom this. I know it’s hard. Iknow it’s awful. I also know that unless we all can get on board in knowing, thise things can be prevented in the future.

    I’ve continued studying the whole shenanigans of defense industry.Hard to find the material in common sources, and besides, verification is required to believe it, and when you do, you realize the way it all fits together.

    Seems as though among the defense industry, there are those that rather like men that make money on dog fights and have no regard for life, also being in our government, makes for not only a conflict of interest, but a dangerous situation where hundreds of thousands of innocent people die.

    But basically, the point is, that these defense industry/media/government interactive operations are a bit like the people making money on fighting pit bulls. The ones fighting are trusting. They are the ones dying and those making money don’t care.

  37. “The day we see the truth and cease to speak is the day we begin to die.”
    -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

  38. Blubonnet says:
    20 January 2011 at 16:01 (Edit)
    “The day we see the truth and cease to speak is the day we begin to die.”
    -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    When I first read this, some of the things I could think about is Politican Correctness, Speech Codes on Colleges, violations of our 1st Amendment Rights, Some in Congress trying to silence dissent, union thug attacks on opposition views both political and work related. No one group has a corner on this. Then there violation of the Freedom of Information Act. I know you are trying to equate this to 9/11, and I would agrre to a certain extent the Government will not tell us some things. The intimidation of CAIR in silencing opposition to muslim extremism. Intimidation in the lower schools to favor one crowd (race) over another. Quite unfortunately this intimidation is a two way street.

  39. York, I will discuss this later. Thanks for participating here. I need reread, research, and further continue this, this weekend with you. ;)

  40. Those links explain a lot. However, conspiracy theory is a tidy self-contained universe; anybody who “won’t see the ‘truth’” is obviously in the employ of the bad guys, etc

  41. cbmc, I’ve seen all of that and it doesn’t hold a candle to the verifiable evidence the scientists that have studied this thing, and besides that just looking at the film of the day, you can then consider both theories, and frankly there is no theory on the side of The TM, and its thousands of professionals.

    http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/

    Visual documentation along with scientific explanations coincides with the many documentaries.

  42. You’ve “seen” it, but you haven’t read it. It answers everything you put up. I know that you saying “here’s a physicist!” counts as a trump card for you, but there are crazy people in every profession. You are wrong; no matter how many of you in however many professions believe your conspiracy theories here, you’ll always be wrong. Those links show you how, but you don’t believe them because…well, here’s a physicist!

  43. After you have seen the documentaries along with the science explained, you have to wonder how in God’s name you could ever have considered the government version as anything but absurd from the get go.

    Cbmc, just look at some of the film footage from this documentary and ask yourself why the government agency NIST (who has been caught lying numerous times) why, did they decide that checking for explosives was not required.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSaBT9hNU&p=76768107B5192856&playnext=1&index=21

    This is from someone that does forensics work as a living, cbmc, and in its simplicity, it makes clear the absurdity of the government’s version. All in the Truth Movement have visuals to accompany their explanation. The government offers computer generated images, that have been proven as false.

    http://www.csi911.info/CSI911.html

  44. This is Debunking the Debunkers although anyone with a brain can see that what he says is true…and scientists, and plenty of them support it through analysis, the obviousness of what took place, debunking the government is easy if you have the patience to go over that many many points in which it is obvious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbY5_qtz83M

  45. I read some of it, cbmc, and found falsehoods right away. And the folks that wrote it are not scientists, the piece you offered.

  46. This remarkable interview of Dr. Peter Dale Scott connects dots, with research that is to be honored, among all discerning, honest researchers, leaving honest assessments of history and its correlations to the present, daring to expose what is nothing more than what is a mafia interwoven networks of predatory “tacticians”. Also, parts II and III will follow this first one. Remarkable, and haunting, yes.

    http://vimeo.com/17186683

  47. Dr. Steven Jones presents hard evidence…

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 1 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFLBeN38KLg

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 2 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNeWU8UewE&feature=related

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 3 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H7ErSDywI0&feature=related

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 4 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjnbHj1BZI&feature=related

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 5 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYEEiQdRUdg&feature=related

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 6 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPSSyDnQkR0&feature=related

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 7 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ey5i0UD8g&feature=related

    9/11: Science and Society with Dr Steven E. Jones part 8 of 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVtzsRFGN1o&feature=related

  48. September 11th was nothing! From Patterico:

    Are we really expected to believe that this 8.9 magnitude “earthquake” was an “Act of God? Has anyone alive today actually ever seen this almighty deity?

    Is it JUST A COINCIDENCE that this occurred on the exact anniversary of the Madrid “Bombings”? and exactly six months before the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 “terror attacks”?

    I suspect this was a government conspiracy to distract us. We need to find out the truth to prevent a cover up.

    Comment by 8.9Truth.com

  49. Dana, thanks for commenting here.

    I will not go there, suggesting the government is involved, but not much surprises me in terms of corruption and technology of the Pentagon. I have enough problems dealing with all that I already know as fact. That person is not helping the Truth Movement by suggesting that.

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  51. Time to GET IT! An assortment of many documentaries, some groundbreaking and DOCUMENTed, through film, the coinciding with science, and your own common sense, do you think that there should have been testing by NIST for explosives? NIST ignored all the testimonies of many many explosions. And so much else, of course.

    http://www.911docs.net/#911_Documentaries

  52. 100% Proof 911 & the killing of Bin Laden are a Hoax

    Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack.

    Wednesday, May 4, 2011

    Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

    Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

    Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

    Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

    The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

    Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80?s.

    Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

    Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

    “He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

    “He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

    “Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

    “It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

    “Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.

    Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

    “He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

    “This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

    Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

    Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

    Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

    During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

    “They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

    “It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

    “I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

    Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

    Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.

  53. CMBC is right, Blu. You Twoofers live in a closed universe. Nothing from the outside gets in, nothing from the inside gets out. A small group of “Experts” who all agree with each other and refuse to be challenged by outside sources. This is the antithesis of how real journalism and real truth finding is done.

  54. Again, your side is really really good at calling names. Congratulations. You win that prize. Evidence, all you have is words. You have no words accompanying verifiable scientific evidence, peer reviewed, and you especially have zero common sense. So, your game is exposed. Go away. Your words have nothing worthy of respect in circles higher than yours, whom reports, and presentations speak for themselves, asking YOU to use your brain. Look at what we have brought. YOU connect the dots, but the cowardice is far too widespread. I hadn’t realized so many would go to such extents to avoid something that would put their fear of being stigmatized, over their own objectivity, and country. Ask yourselves also, how is it that you make such a point to disallow yourselves to glance upon something that is unsettling, because you fear I’m right, but you choose to avoid it in such an extreme that you request to Dana, with a girlish exasperated sigh of despair. “GIVE HER HER OWN THREAD, GET HER OUT OF HERE. SHE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANNOYING.) Why am I so annoying? Sorry about that but I’m trying to do the right thing, alert fellow citizens of the circumstances of our country being overtaken from within, not in a good way. Corporatists post WWII have not been happy with democracy for centuries, and they work together to stifle it in favor of rapacious policies to own more and more power, in which to play with, not just jets anymore, but people in Washington that pull strings for them, and they then have their own mafia like circle, at our expense. War profiteers are the most gangster like in nature, because they are especially poisonous, because they not only make money in selling guns to it’s own country, but to many, then if they have a hand in media, as they do, they can manipulate all for each other, keeping the ball in their hands. Duplicity is the concern here, and it exists at every joint in the framework of the government now, and the blood of our sons and daughters, given with honor, deserves nothing but honesty from our government, and if this government had its hand in all of this, and you chose to look the other way, when more and more of our country goes down, all starting from that day, 9-11-01. Yeah look the other way. You are a coward, and an incurious mind represents a dull mind. You may be both too.

    Do corrupt circles, self serving occur in government covertly? Yes, it is not uncommon.

  55. Sure. Blu is all-knowing, and everyone else is an ignoramus.

    A bit of egomania at work, here?

  56. This is one of the best documentaries I’ve seen in a good while on 9-11-01.It speaks in simplicity, and makes its’ case in way you will have to work hard at to disagree with. The narrator allows you to follow through on your own suppressed capacity for common sense. Let your mind have at it, we need all minds to bring this monumental problem under control, and the entire population will be required. questions you have asked yourself about it all, there are answers, but you won’t like them. We all need to participate here now. I’m sorry. The U.S. has a problem, a big one, and it’s nebulous, but it’s interference is more than apparent, and yes, there is our media involvement. Many former CIA have declared that their job was more about stirring up trouble for the sake of the human leeches that live off of war making, and interest rates, and control the economy as well, and you all just keep skipping along with their songs. Amazing. Please watch this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcbGIdeNnTQ

  57. Hopefully, this record of incoming news of the Truth Movement, which is what the thread is, will be appreciated at some point, when the awareness reaches that far, into your remote perspectives here. There is so much more tho. I only share the more refined of the many, wiht the most basic of information. Other things come in that continue to throw more light upon the situation.

  58. This is not specifically about 9-11-01, but it relates, if you look at the bigger picture of what has taken place in our country. Naomi Wolfe, shares what insights her friend, a daughter of a holocaust survivor. All need to open their eyes. We have a very heavy problem which we all need to deal with. This problem far transcends politics. It is a force we are against, that uses ideology to dupe all into paying them to send your sons and daughters to war for their acquisition of resources, they covet in other countries, owned by “dictators” so they say, but just leaders of countries that don’t want to lay down with dogs, which is what we are a rogue nation now, quite literally. Wake the F up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

  59. How did Bush act when presented with the, inner circle, war players, hawks, were wanting to go take on the middle east, with the military slaughter machine, all working in unison to move a people out of the way of resources coveted. Did anyone ever tell you “War is a Racket” ? The proof is all around you, if you opened both your eyes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_SDGb-TJcU&feature=related

  60. Kevin Ryan is a scientist who, after talking to Lawrence Livermore Labs, who are contractors with the Pentagon, learned the making of nano-thermite. Incidentally there was a fraudulent piece on the newly bought up (by Rupert Murdoch) National Geographic channel, in which they had to send a letter to the independent scientists of the Truth Movement apologizing, but the letter never aired publicly except on internet Truth sites. Then, they continue to play the piece. But Lawrence Livermore labs has been instrumental in 9-11-01, and beyond. They unknowingly informed Kevin Ryan, “shooting themselves in the foot”. but with MSM being so powerful, they are pretty much unscathed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O66UyGNrmSI

  61. Think how brave our soldiers are. Willing to die, if necessary for our country, yet many don’t even have the courage to speak up for our country, or look honestly at what has occurred. Please put your ego aside to prevent the further demise of the country, I know you love.

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