One of the things I have tried my best to do is to keep CSPT a completely free-speech zone. The last thing I ever want to do is ban a non-spam commenter. (Spammers are fair game, of course.)
But we have one frequent commenter here who is bombarding the site with spam, specifically 9/11 Truther spam. I’m getting e-mail from other commenters, on both sides of the political chasm, telling me that this spam is degrading the site, and I’ve reached the point at which I agree.
Translation: long comments which are obviously re-hashed lists in which scientists, former government officials, and nutjobs who are telling us that the World Trade Center towers couldn’t have collapsed just because they got hit by airliners loaded with jet fuel are not new compositions, but spam. I’ve got a thick enough skin that I usually ignore them, but when there’s no audience for such comments, and the poster knows that there’s no audience for such, it’s spam. And when it starts to degrade the entire site and push readers away, the time comes to do something about it.
So, I’m asking you, blu, to cease and desist with the 9/11 Truther spam unless the main article thread actually concerns the September 11th attacks. I’m not banning you, and appreciate your comments when they are actually on topic.
I really regret having to write this in the first place.
Dana, the topic goes into that direction, when my opponents in this verbal volley ball game bring it up. They attempt to discredit me with the usual “tin foil hat” barrage of insults, which are OFF TOPIC. This usually comes as my opponenets’ are losing the debate. Name calling. So, in my defense, as these invalid assaults on me are coming, I merely defend myself, making clear that my views are not ridiculous. The amont of evidence, I have to bring is darned near infinite. So, there is never a shortage of material. It was clearly one of the sloppiest false flag operations ever conducted.
I’m baffled at the extremes many will go to, to run so desperately from the facts. I wish honesty would enter into your capacity to deal with this problem. I don’t like having to be the one hollering these realities. I am doing what I feel obligated. If we expect to resume all that we are crying out for, restoration of this country, etc, we all want that, we have got to look at the reasoning for it’s demise.
I continue to be astonished at the denial held onto so strongly, when the obvious is smacking you all in the face. A reality that requires exposing, if we expect to have this Democratic Republic to hold onto.
I heard former CIA official, Ray McGovern while discussing this subject you all so despise, he quoted Dante’ I believe, and it goes something like this…
“The hottest places in hell are preserved for those that are silent when country is in crisis.” Not perfect recollection of the quote, but you have the point.
Dana, thank you for being so honorable, and allowing it thus far. Other web sites are not so honorable.
The level of demise, of this country is farther than you know, when you realize how much of YOUR money is going into propagandizing, compliments of the government. I know you don’t believe it, but you really ought to research that. We are not getting the facts, except that which they will allow through the MSM. Alternative sources with visible evidence goes contrary to the common MSM, until the alternative media has been sufficiently successful as to force the common MSM to report it, often months or years later. What was coming out on Wiki leaks, are things I’d been trying to tell you all years ago, but are just now, in recent months coming out on the MSM.
maybe blu, you could just post the links and let people go to them if they want to. the huge walls of text are too much. if someone is interested they will go to the link.
Dana is right. You’ve been posting this Twoofer stuff forever, and no one here is buying it. That even includes lefties like Pho, who normally would do anything to discredit America, and the Bush Admin specifically. It has, as Dana said, reached the level of spam. You made your point long ago on this issue, it has been discussed to death, and if you had any respect for other people on this Site, you would leave it alone. Instead, you, often unasked, post endless pages of Internet kooks spouting off, to the point where it just becomes background noise to the rest of us.
To repeat an old axiom: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That’s what your Twoofer spam has become.
Well, AOTC, I have done that. It is ignored. The reason I started doing the walls of text is to make it unavoidable to see it. Tell me, don’t you think such a matter is important? Don’t you think it is something that all need to know if it is true? I’m afraid it is true. You have to know that by now.
As the American Behavior Scientist has noted, there is a mass psychosis of denial taking place, bypassing that which is obvious, the explosives that accompanied the plane crashes. The science proves that. The organization NIST that Bush used to study it has been called out, even humiliated among other physicists in a room, and having to concede, caught fudging on facts.
I wonder, as I’ve brought more than enough evidence to make clear, we have been lied to and even the 911 Commissioners, most of them, stated a whitewash took place, clearly a cover-up. Don’t you all care? The biggest crime in history, with red flags all over the place identifying the cover-up. Will you all please understand why I am so intensely trying to make this apparent.
Right. The whole country is nuts, except for a handful of Internet kooks who claim to be all wise and knowing.
Seriously, just give it up. Or maybe find some other site where this stuff gains traction, tho good luck finding any sane Site, left or right, where anyone takes this stuff seriously.
Incidentally, I am wondering, as history continues to repeat itself, and instead of offering a real investigation, the government has deployed a force to counter us on the internet, costing who knows how much, again, we don’t get to know, (security reasons they say), instead of offering what we want, an independent investigation, they have chosen to call us “dangerous” and categorizing us as being in the same category as Nazis, which are actually a growing threat in this country. While we are advocates of non-violence, in fact, Ghandi being the inspiration for We Are Change, one of the most successful groups for the Truth Movement. As history has shown prior, the inward movement of forces from the US security apparatus towards dissenting citizens is now in play. Hasn’t gotten ugly yet.
Would you all call me a terrorist? well, the government is attempting to brand us as “homegrown terrorists”. If you heard about my arrest, if it came about, would you all oblige? Or would you speak out on my behalf as I am actually a non-violent concerned citizen? Just curious.
And, as expected, Eric is ignoring the facts and making use of the derogatory terms, with nothing to back up his statements.
And ERic, did you see who those “kooks” are? This is why I end up plastering the site with statements from:
the scientists,
and military intelligence people
and former CIA
and former FBI,
and former NASA engineers
and aeronautical engineers,
and architects,
and structural engineers,
and firefighters,
and Congress people,
and Pentagon officials,
and police officers there,
and air traffic controllers
and mental health professionals,
and demolitions experts,
and survivors that day,
and journalists that were there,
and forensics experts,
and scientists,
and pilots,
and THE NUMBERS KEEP GROWING AS COURAGE IS FOUND.
I had no idea how rare a commodity courage was, until this occurred. I’d expected more strength of character from those around here, or at least not such a cowardly denial mechanism operating in full force. It is obvious that no amount of evidence will be considered by some, and instead of allowing one’s mind to deal with it, insults replace reasoning.
You don’t gotta ban the idiot — just delete any Twoofer post in a non-related thread. Problem solved.
The list I left above, of whom I am supportive of, shows who the idiots are, and they are not on the side of the Truth Movement.
The moon landings were faked.
Now we have more obnoxious comments, replacing reasoned discussion. As expected.
Saying the moon landings were faked is no more obnoxious than saying 9/11 was an inside job, you scumbag. Get a fucking life, for cripe’s sake.
You don’t gotta ban the idiot — just delete any Twoofer post in a non-related thread. Problem solved.
And, to be fair, once every month start a running Truther thread.
Good idea, Phoe.
Hube, you’ve refined your ugly comments into remarkably ugly. You deserve an award. You take ugly into whole new levels. Thanks for your contributions to the awareness of us all. I now know how repugnant your capacity is for insults (instead of logical rebuttals), while ignoring factual verifiable information.
Good idea, Phoe.
Rest assured, blu, you’re going to wind up in there ranting to yourself. But it justifies deleting your spam from other threads.
Apparently evidence and logic hold now weight around here. Just ideology.
I am crazy alright, to think I could bring evidence and it would be recognized. Not so. My faith in humanity has diminished. It is disappointing to say the least.
Blu, the SITE OWNER has called your twoofer stuff spam. The SITE OWNER has agreed your spam degrades the site. The SITE OWNER pays money to keep the site up. The SITE OWNER has asked you to cease and desist on threads not related. Instead of acquiescing, you have chosen to rant instead.
As soon as the SITE OWNER gives the go-ahead, I will gladly delete any new thread-jacking twoofer spam from the site. It will be my pleasure to help prevent the degradation of the site in that manner.
“They attempt to discredit me with the usual “tin foil hat” barrage of insults, which are OFF TOPIC.”
Actually, your words and total lack of disregard for common sense and facts do far more to discredit you. You routinely confuse the terms “fact” and “opinion”.
I dub thee “tinbonnet”
FIFY
When I did my 9/11 tribute, I begged, I pleaded, I asked kindly, I warned that I did not put it there for the truther stuff. I asked for it to be saved for another time. What did I get??? Truther stuff, and I closed it for comments out of respect for those who died, and open a 9/11 truther thread. Yes, I was pissed.
So sorry, I guess the value of those lives lost, with the survivors asking for all to look into it, isn’t very important apparently, according to you all. It being YOUR thread with YOUR topic, which can’t step aside for the quest presented by victim’s familys’ that did not take government money. That isn’t as important as it being YOUR threads? Sorry to bother you all.
And excuse me, but, in terms of verifiable evidence the government continues to come up short. The Truth Movement would quite simply make the official CONSPIRACY THEORY clear as the pig slop it has come to be recognized as if given an opportunity in court with an independent jury of all relevant professionals. You would have known that if you hadn’t worked so hard at avoiding facts. The Truth Movement continues to grow in evidence and humanity catching on. The slower, frightened ones just hold back the real truth. Wouldn’t you all just like to see an independent investigation and put this mess to rest? That is all that we have been asking for. Why do they so vehemently deny us information, so often, when FOIA (freedom of information act) is used or tried to be used? Why did the Commissioners continue to say, it was a white wash?
Tell me, who around here gives a damn about the 900+ first responders that have died since that day that have every imaginable lung disorder? Did you know that there was in the samples that were obtained from multiple sources, the peer reviewed article confirming a military grades (Pentagon issue) explosives material, contained also, unreacted chips? Why is Eric’s perspective that the authors of the professional journal American Behavioral Scientist are “loons” should hold any credibility at all? You all have lost all sense of logic. How could the war profiteering Bush family, Eisenhower warned of, proven liars over and over and over, their hired “science teams” have any credence over a growing number of thousands of professionals from EVERY relevant profession, calling out bull shit, when it damn well should be. What do you all do? Call names. Use every mechanism possible to shoot the messenger. Logic anyone?
Blu, just agree not to put your Truther stuff on threads where the article itself is not discussing Truther stuff. Or expect in the future that your comments will vanish.
Tell me, who around here gives a damn about the 900+ first responders that have died since that day that have every imaginable lung disorder?
Let’s see – so you’re saying the conspirators blew up the towers using Pentagon issued explosive (as opposed to, you know, commercially available and proven demolition explosives) which caused numerous lung disorders in the firemen attending teh disaster, despite no reports of this sort of problem seeming to show up in, you know, soldiers.
Wait, wait, wait – this super secret conspiracy deliberately chose explosives that would give firemen lung cancer in order to, um, I dunno. Is that it?
Ask yourselves why you run so fast away from this? Why are you afraid of it? Yeah, you say you are just sick of it, but I don’t believe you. I think you are afraid, because sadly in that dormant rational part of your mind, you know, the government version, it cannot hold up to being within the laws of physics, and seeing the video footage of that day, which is what most of the documentaries are about, with science, accompanied by video footage, with both the official theory and the present scientists, at the presentation (no pun intended) available for you to judge for yourself. Of course after seeing it, you can’t “un-see” it, you would know, so for God’s sake, you don’t want to take on this knowledge, and have to take responsibility for it. I believe that is what is going on here, because I was afraid to bring it up or believe it, or let everyone know I believed it. Hesitation is plausible. But, I ask you to find more courage, more strength within yourself to be honest and objective, to do what you know is right.
No, Phoe, I should listen to you, the librarian instead of the physicists who got the peer reviewed article. I’m so sorry. You’re thooo thmart.
I’m so sorry, Phoe, I should listen to you the Librarian, instead of the firefighters who were there. THtupid me.
I’m sorry, Phoe, I should listen to you the Librarian, calling me crazy, instead of the professional journal of those studying the human psyche, you know, those stupid people like psychiatrists, and sociologists, studying history, and the way democracies fall on their ass. No, you are a better judge than them.
I guess the defense industry owned publications that are now, yes part of the Pentagon, it’s a virtual Propaganda ministry, but you all have been covering your eyes for so long, you are unaware of that.
I have taken note as fascistic governments are put into play, that war is the means of making it happen, as historical icons have noted. But, I guess I should listen to you instead.
Gee, all of this so outrageous that all those thousands, and GROWING number of professionals of every sort, MUST be lying. Silly me, listening to professionals.
When after watching the evidence and stories on BOTH sides of the debate thoroughly (have you?) I guess I should just listen to you all around here instead. You all are sthooo much thmarter.
I think blu has, once again, brilliantly illustrated why this measure is necessary. Talking to her just won’t cut it. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT AND…
Feel no shame for this call, Dana. The line was crossed long ago.
Who’s crazier, blu who keeps pushing her bastard nostrums ad nauseam, or Dana who thinks she’ll stop if he asks nicely?
I’m not against Dana. Dana isn’t against me. It is just that Dana and you all can’t deal with this anymore. It’s troubling to you of course. I am thankful I was able to be dropping these nuggets of fact for your brains to chew on. I know it’s a flavor your brain doesn’t like. It’s kind of like the taste of a corrupt beyond words or thought, kind of government. Welcome home to reality. I’ve been trying to tell you that, when war crimes are standard operating procedure, and made into law, we have what is known as a regime.
blubonnet has posted overwhelming evidence that further investigation is needed about 9/11. I agree with her.
At the time of 9/11, there was a faction in place, some elected, some unelected, some even out of government, who were making a concerted attempt to preempt our foreign policy, at least that much. I am talking about the now discredited neocons. This is just one more reason for additional formal investigation of 9/11.
I suggest that this investigation will eventually happen, but not in this political climate, not while we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan, and perhaps not ever by our government. Then it will be left up to historians. It will happen!
But blubonnet, your method of informing our readers on the 9/11 event is neither effective nor polite.
aotc has suggested you provide links. If Dana does not object, that would be a good idea, in my view.
Regarding your hijacking threads, well yes, you do. But so does just about every single one of the contributors on here, so I personally do not fault only you for that.
Simply put, you will not find any blog owner more respectful of free speech than Dana, as per my own observations. Therefore, when he steps out to request a change, I think that request should be respected.
And speaking of Dana’s request for change, some few months ago he asked us to tone down the personal attacks. How many commenters on here have respected that request for more than just a couple of weeks after it was made? If the shoe fits, ….
Here’s a first, I defending Phoe, but as a Librarian he has all this info to look at and he still asked the basic question last week that I have asked. With all the the work that goes into demolishing a building the size of the WTC, the weakening of main structural supports, the insertion of explosives, the wiring of the explosives to be timed to go off in certain order to bring the building down, and no one noticed???????
Watch the History, NOVA or Discovery Channels, occasionally they show the whole procedure. Contact Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI), in Phoenix, Maryland who have brought down more buildings than anyone in the world.
With all the the work that goes into demolishing a building the size of the WTC, the weakening of main structural supports, the insertion of explosives, the wiring of the explosives to be timed to go off in certain order to bring the building down, and no one noticed???????
Worse, blu is now claiming that they used “Pentagon issued explosives” for some reason. Instead of, you know, commercially available and anonymous demolition charges.
York I’ve asked you to watch, left the link for the documentary which explains the apparatus in place which is quite literally a propaganda ministry. The link I left for you to watch, which you will probably not, and continue to go on with this same debunked logic, but to understand the control, yes it is true of our media, which 9-11-01 has “justified”. So, alternative media, of which there is an ample amount of now, because of this problem (and the many who already have long known what I’ve been trying to tell you) have made available all that I’ve said, and I only bring information, (which you ignore) which is verifiable. The PopMech article was not written by a physicist or an engineer. Look it up, and look up the credentials of the author, and also, you will find if you bother looking, and you wouldn’t, it’s too scary, that dozens of scientists could take on his spittle. This below, is a short clip, an excerpt from the doucmentary. Are you going to run and hide?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7qOCGiaLg
Also, Perry, by the way, the rudeness of my posting walls of text, is only countering the rudeness I’ve met up with when merely giving all the opportunity to wake up. That’s all. C-ya.
Blu, name people who actually witnessed the planting of explosives in all the builds. Need names, who they worked for, the method of rigging the building, the ability of getting the hijack pilots to hit the right spots, the Ironworkers who weakened the structures, the demolition experts who placed the shaped charges in the proper location, the people who wired the explosives, the person who set the charges off, the contractor who did it, and how much were they paid. And how did they do this totally unnoticed by Building Maintainence and the occupants. I think Phoe would like to know too.
Please open the truther thread, so blu has a place to post her stuff.
York, this should help.
http://100777.com/911/coincidences#9
Phoenician in a time of Romans says:
24 October 2010 at 19:54 (Edit)
Please open the truther thread, so blu has a place to post her stuff.
Your wish is my command
Here is a demolitions expert explaining. I went to the trouble of bringing this information to you upon your asking, I’d hope you would watch it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns_hjONWZ88&feature=related
Blu wrote:
Blu, it ain’t just us foolish conservatives who haven’t exactly been impressed by your extensive 9/11 Truther comments. Just in this thread, we have Henry Whistler, who runs (with Mike Ganzeveld) the Iowa Liberal website, saying that this was long overdue, and the Phoenician saying that you’ll be all alone on the suggested monthly Truther threads, and Perry, the closest thing you have to a supporter here,1 saying that your methods haven’t been effective.
If your methods haven’t persuaded conservatives and haven’t persuaded liberals, I’d suggest that you need to review the methods you use.
__________________________
York, if I tell you my lights came on, and I didn’t see them being installed, does that make my saying the lights came on untrue? C’mon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSaBT9hNU
You want proof of explosions, just for you.
Blubonnet says:
24 October 2010 at 20:18
Here is a demolitions expert explaining. I went to the trouble of bringing this information to you upon your asking, I’d hope you would watch it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns_hjONWZ88&feature=related
Ok, I watched, he worked for CDI which I said was #1 in the world. He described the same methods I said, but no one has come up with a group of people as to who actually placed the charges. When a witness comes forward to say they did what was explained, then there is somrthing. All this was was confirming the theory of doing it, but WHO WIRED THE BUILDINGS – NAME NAMES. All we get is theory. The theory is provable, but a homo-sapien with full knowledge of how to do itwould have had to place the charge. WHO?
More important than the who, is the how. Controlled demolitions aren’t just left in a duffel bag in the corner, but have to be carefully placed in the proper locations. In the WTC, this would have required cutting through the internal walls to get to the steel structure. How was this accomplished, in a busy building, with nobody noticing it? There were many people who survived the collapse, or who missed that day at work; have any of them come forward to say, “You know, I noticed a bunch of work being done, and fresh patches in the drywall at the corners?”
Correct, Dana, that is why you need to start looking at the documentaries I offer to start understanding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSaBT9hNU
That is why I brought this link for you to watch and the other link as well, that I brought for York.
Another thing, Dana, there is as many Conservatives as there are Lefties that are now on to what’s going on. If anyone ever bothered to look at the Patriots Question 911 site, you would see that.
Your wish is my command
Please send me all your money.
Phoenician in a time of Romans says:
25 October 2010 at 02:45 (Edit)
Your wish is my command
Please send me all your money
OK
I’m not the one accusing Americans of a “Mass psychosis”. That was one of your Twoofer kooks speaking.
Don’t be too quick to dismiss “Mass psychosis:”
It’s clear that rogue elements within the clandistine services have perfected a geo-synchronous orbiting secret satellite based mass mind control X-ray device. How else can the self-destruction of the Twin Towers be kept from the public, or the election of Barack Obama be explained?
Gee, Eric, after having said it a quadrillion times, you might have picked up on it now. I said it was THE AMERICAN BEHAVIORAL SCIENTIST. . The entire February 2010 issue, discussing the SCAD (state crimes against democracy) going right past folks, this journal,which is for professionals in the field of studying psychiatry, psychology, sociology, and similar professions, studying the human psyche. THEY have concluded that with the massive amount of scientific data showing clearly what the American government has done, and what the American government has done, going missed by the public, concludes that it is in fact a phenomenon of mass psychosis. Quite clear, in fact.
Ropelight, so glad you’re having fun with your thesaurus.
I dare you to start clicking onto links I’ve left. Or be in your psychotic, cowardly mode, that has already been seen. Let’s see a more awake ERic, and Ropelight.
What investigation? It’s been investigated, and neither the government nor anyone in the media has found a shred of evidence to support Blu’s claims. Besides, Blu doesn’t really want an “investigation” at all, at least not one that doesn’t confirm her kookspiracy theories.
Sorry, but I’ll take the views of the supposedly “Psychotic” American people, media, and government over a few kooks in a so-called psychological magazine.
Which will discover what we already know, namely, that two planes flew into the WTC, the buildings burned and eventually collapsed just like we all saw on TV. Really, you should take a cue from your friend Pho, who, quite sensibly for once, has provided a solid refutal of Blu’s nonsense.
One final point: Blu, why do you persist in posting this stuff here? Can’t you find another site to post on? When you post the same crap for years, and nobody believes it, any sane person would conclude it’s a waste of time and stop.
Professor Niels Harrit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lU-vu2JvZY